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Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
Since the other thread has turned into show and tell with BAJ...

I just read it and well. I can't say that I'm not a bit confused. I think the art may be what has me stummped. Most of the art is good but some is just plain disapointing. I don't want to ruin anything yet but I do want to say...nice job Broad Arrow Jack. You've done us proud.

All and all, this issue left me smileing. I'll have to read it a few more times to figure out the fuzzy parts. I look forward to the rest of the Nexus's interpretations.

louisemichel
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posted March 01, 2000 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louisemichel   Click Here to Email louisemichel     Edit/Delete Message
aaaaaaaaarrrrrrggggggggl
another whole day to wait, here on the other side of the Atlantic...

Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, its worth it though. I'm dying to ask you guys some things. Over analyzing it here has become part of the ritual.

Broad Arrow Jack
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posted March 01, 2000 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Broad Arrow Jack   Click Here to Email Broad Arrow Jack     Edit/Delete Message
Damn, Sandfarmer, you beat me to it. I wanted to start this thread.

[This message has been edited by Broad Arrow Jack (edited March 13, 2000).]

Broad Arrow Jack
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posted March 01, 2000 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Broad Arrow Jack   Click Here to Email Broad Arrow Jack     Edit/Delete Message

Oh, and the Nexus logo is obscured by text. so much for that plan.

More discussion about the story itself once everyone's read it (I can finally participate. Hurrah.).

[This message has been edited by Broad Arrow Jack (edited March 13, 2000).]

Broad Arrow Jack
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posted March 01, 2000 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Broad Arrow Jack   Click Here to Email Broad Arrow Jack     Edit/Delete Message
FUCK!!!!!

God DAMN IT!!!

Getting drunk tonight. Oh yes in-fucking-deed.

October Ghost
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posted March 01, 2000 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for October Ghost   Click Here to Email October Ghost     Edit/Delete Message
Condolences, BAJ. However, I really do like your work there - and I'd love to see it colored by you. The final image of Jack is perfect, if you ask me.

I do have to make a couple of complaints myself: Count me as another rabid hater of the Pander brothers (they make everything and everybody so damn UGLY) and the Ashley Wood pages were just a mess.

Storywise, I can say that I'm duly impressed. I love the appearance by Audrey - Bobby's wife from Best Man Fall, and her encounter with King Mob is probably the greatest moment of poetry in the whole series.

Also very much enjoyed Jack's returning to his roots for induction of the new Invisible. Who knew he'd end up just like Old Malkie some day?

I did find the chapter a little confusing, but that might be due to the speed-read I gave it in hopes that I could start this durn thread (some people are TOO quick for me)! I'll have to go over it again before I can say anything really intelligent.

OG

Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
You said what I was trying to hold back BAJ. I'm sorry but the Pander bros. are horrible. I've seen that style done well before (Is it Milligan I'm thinking of? Who did Trencher and the Doom Force book?) but these guys failed. I'm in the midst of re-reading vol. 2 right now and the colors of the recent issues are just plain depressing in comparison. I think Ms. Roeberg has let us down by letting Vozzo tarnish a comic that deserves so much better. Sorry BAJ, your work along with Buckingham's and GM's pencils on 22 were the only pages I did not hate. Ridgeway did a decent job I guess.

Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, and I do appologize for starting this thread before you guys. I was at the shop helping them unbox the comics waiting for this issue. I read it in the parking lot and just could not wait to talk about it.

I just re-read it again and I must say, Wood's pages are horrible. If it were not for the clothing, I would not even know that was Dane. Who is that other guy? He does not look like any character I've ever seen before. Is it becasue I'm dumb or does the art just suck that much.

BAJ, please put me on the list of those who would love to see your version. I wish I could cheer you up. As a musician who has often thought he created a masterpiece and then hated it after te mixers got through, I understand your disapointment.

seeker
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posted March 01, 2000 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker   Click Here to Email seeker     Edit/Delete Message
I would *love* to see the originally drawn art. Can you email it to me too, please?

And it would be wonderful to have the descriptions up, so that we could see how this was intended to be.

Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
I'd really love to see what it was Wood was supposed to be drawing. Gawd why couldn't Jimenez have drawn those pages?

Broad Arrow Jack
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posted March 01, 2000 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Broad Arrow Jack   Click Here to Email Broad Arrow Jack     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, what I think I'll do is email it to Tom, and he can put it up on the site (if he wants to).

But anyone who sends me their mailing address will get a hard copy.

[This message has been edited by Broad Arrow Jack (edited March 13, 2000).]

louisemichel
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posted March 01, 2000 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louisemichel   Click Here to Email louisemichel     Edit/Delete Message
let's petition so we have the scripts to read what was really on those pages !
If the critical pages are not done correctly, it could kill whatever effect was intended...
oh, I don't like that...
And I've still more than half a day to wait...

Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
Brilliant BAJ. Years from now when I share this comic with my offspring I can san, "Now this is how these pages are supposed to look".

My favorite scenes are the one BAJ drew (you got to draw John dude, that's awesome), the line from Dane about KM kicking ass, KM riding off into the horizon, Dane's recruitment, and Dane and Fanny after the chaos.

Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
Just looked at it again and you did draw a wicked Orlando BAJ (I'm so jealous) but those colors are all wrong. Frustrating.

Nermin
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posted March 01, 2000 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nermin   Click Here to Email Nermin     Edit/Delete Message

I'd also like to see these pages,BAJ.

I had to take antiemetics when I saw Panderbros'drawings.Disgusting.

It seems vertigo editors are only existing for decoration and to deceive us by not providing the adequate complements to Grant'story and to the fine artists involved(and I count you among these fine artists BAJ).

October Ghost
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posted March 01, 2000 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for October Ghost   Click Here to Email October Ghost     Edit/Delete Message
Well, in defense of the editors involved, it must be a nightmare to try and give the book any kind of cohesive feel when so many different artists are involved.

But I'll never know why they wanted to give the Pander Brothers any work. They really have produced the ugliest pages the series has ever seen.

Oh, and the person Jack's walking with on the Ashley Wood pages is supposed to be the Blind Chessman. It looks more like it was DRAWN by a blind something or other. Sigh.

OG

Sandfarmer
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posted March 01, 2000 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
That sure did not look like any Blind Chessman I had ever seen before. Horrible.

Just did a re-read and those pages by the Pander bros. are some of the worst I've seen from a major publisher. How the fuck did this happen. I'm not a big fan of Bond but at least his work did not distract from the script. This is the first issue so far where I feel the art really hurt the comic.

Mystery Gypt
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posted March 01, 2000 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystery Gypt   Click Here to Email Mystery Gypt     Edit/Delete Message
I'm going to start making some annotation now, 'kay? (and nice job cameron -- Fanny's facial expressions continually crack me up)

the "most important pages of the whole series", 12-14, are a return to the moment in Volume II when dane and the blind chessman/satan strolled through the UFO. Dane is not just remembering, it is not just being re-iterated, it is happening again because Dane is returning to this place that is outside time; these panels hadn't been shown before, though, since dane was in his "shamanic sickness" and all.
they are no doubt the "most important" because this is where Grant lays out exactly the message he was given in his own "alien contact experience." In fact he explained all this stuff almost verbatim at the DisinoCon.

13:6 "The body, decades long, billion eyed" -- that's how grant claims to have seen humanity when he himself was outside of time -- you look like some big long snake who is on one long line everywhere you ever were in time.

14:4"Time is soil and for nourish larvae and grown in" Again, as Grant said in his speach, humanity is larvae, planted here by the being outside of time. They put us in this time world because they want us to grow, and nothing grows outside of time.

A lot of the language is similar to some thingsa burroughs wrote; i'm pretty sure this was a heavy influence on this part of Grant's thinking. the following Burroughs quotes are from Ah Pook Is Here, 1979; VERY similar to what's happening in these panels:

From Ah Pook is Here:
"What does death need time for? The answer is soooo simple. Death needs time for what it kills to grow in" (25)
"Why did the Mayan priests need human bodies and human time? Wait. They needed these bodies and this time as a landing field and as a launching pad into space." (19)

Dr. Zum
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posted March 01, 2000 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Zum   Click Here to Email Dr. Zum     Edit/Delete Message
SPOILERS

-------------------------------------------

not with a bang, but with a whimper...

There better be a GREAT wrap-up issue - this can NOT be how the series ends!

Why the hell did the Panders get chosen for this gig? Their artwork fit the first twelve of Grendel, as it seemed to mirror Christine's descent into madness. Little did I know that it was merely some sort of entropy of style.

John as a happy insect? Ya mean he LIKES being neutered?

This is the blind chessman- or a mean-looking Peter Murphy? The other side doesn't look like a machine hell,it's more of a mopey Bauhaus video

Sir Miles as the "hanged man"? Don't do it- you'll just break your leg! Besides, ya gotta hang 'em the other way to get the ...err.. stuff.

Roger at the town dump? C'mon someone could have dragged her stiff away at the end- it's not like they were being chased by monsters anymore.

Audrey Murray appearing as cheap irony. Was that supposed to be her leaving the flowers last ish. If yes, why?

Last page: last time I saw a straight-edge "X" it was 1987. Does Criswell predict this, and pirate fash for next year?

Disappointed to be sure. I'd go into the Tarot imagery of the ish, but why bother? Seems like Grant just used this issue to kill a series of which he lost control. Could explain the cryptic comments at the DisInfoCon thingee,"turned schizophrenic" indeed.
DrZ

uncle sham
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posted March 02, 2000 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for uncle sham   Click Here to Email uncle sham     Edit/Delete Message
6:3 Jolly Roger's arms are laying in the same up-down position as The Magician's arms in the Rider Waite, and most other tarot card decks. The notes laying on each arm reflect the meaning behind the respective arms position. The left arm points downwards and says 'LIFE' referring to the firmament and our earthly existence on it. The right arms points to the heavens and says 'TOMMOROW', referring to either our existence in the afterlife of whatever heaven you choose to believe in, or simply, and in keeping with the themes of the book, the future as opposed to the now or past where everything is like a heaven where everybody gets what they want, because after all, that's what King Mob's cell is here to ensure and is in the process of doing even as Roger dies.

Sandfarmer
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posted March 02, 2000 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the translation of pages 12-14 Mystery Gypt. Woods art on those pages is so horrible I had a hard time following the script. I'm also a bit confused about page 15 and would like to see what you guys thought. The background of page 15, panel 3 is insane.

I'm pretty bummed that Robin and Boy seem to be forgotten.

Todd
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posted March 02, 2000 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Todd   Click Here to Email Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Jim Crow was forgotten too! Curses. In issue 3, I thought it was one of the Archons who had grabbed Roger by the head, not the Shadow King. He seems a lil slow to be plucking terrorists off the ground by their gourds.

Sandfarmer
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posted March 02, 2000 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
You are right Todd. I'm a bit afraid to go back and look at issue 3 because I know if will just piss me off more. Issue 3 was a great issue but 2...

I feel like something is missing.

Lionheart
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posted March 02, 2000 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lionheart   Click Here to Email Lionheart     Edit/Delete Message
Mystery Gypt: Grant did not say that humanity is a larvae. He said that the universe is a larvae.

But back to the issue:

Boy comes back!!!

Just kidding.

"WHAAAM!"

--ROY LICHTENSTEIN

Great story if you understand it. Covers a lot of things... uh.. I mean topics.

Page 8, panel 1,3,4,6: We see the 4d armor/universe surround Fanny just like it does in the future flash-forward in vol. 2.

Interesting art mix-up:

The age of George. On page 18, he looks young. On page 8, 9 he looks much older.

Page 16, panel 1: Sir Miles' mustache dissapears! and reappears in panel 3.
p16 P.5: Helga is collecting the shit and spunk of Sir Miles, as he hangs, into the Black Grail.

Page 22, panel 5: how can jack be the head of a school in 2001? just wondering... Also, what the hell is "Glitterdammerung!"?

What happens to John'a'Dreams?

Page 2, panel 3, "Kirk Morrison.. uh.. i mean, King Mob is shot into the stomach. In issue 3, he seemed to be bleeding from his head. Also, what happens to Gideon Stargrave's ape mask? Is it on sale on EBay?

That's all for now...

But...

On page 1, panel 3, Miles has a revolver.
On page 4, he has an automatic.

Miles also fires 3 shots. Masonic reference? Am I looking in too deep?

Wtf happens on page 9, panel 1? is it Dane/Jack's doing? Jim Crow's?

Page 13, last panel: the blind chessman makes Jack/Dane aware of his entire temporal body. Page 14, that pink tree is jack's body as seen from outside of time. A tree. A "finger" of the universe. A game piece growing out of the gameboard.

Page 15, nice background.

Page 11 and page 15: Jack steps into a broken(?) magick mirror and steps out of a healthy(?) one.

Page 16, panel 2, far right, a bit above center, the swastikas have arms now.

Whois in the last panel on page 17? John Constantine?

Page 18, first panel, Mr.Six is a happy smurf.

Now, to end it all is page 22, third panel, girl's forehead:


"FUCK U."

Sandfarmer
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posted March 02, 2000 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
Page 14, panel 3. What are those things falling from the pink tree-like thing. Eyeballs, mushrooms?

I think a lot of the odd things are just side-effects of the "artist's jam's" failure.

Page 12, panel 4- who is that with the rope? Miles with the same rope that is NOT in his hands on page 16, panel 1? The same rope Six gives some brown haired man in page 12, panel 2. Did Miles hair turn brown and then back to grey on page 16 or am I an idiot?

I'm sorry but the colors are shit.

Page 13, panel 1, is that Helga ruining Miles day? I think it is but the art is so horrible. I guess Six saw it too because on page 15, panel 5, he tells Helga hew was terrified.

rory
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posted March 02, 2000 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rory   Click Here to Email rory     Edit/Delete Message
I really want to read all these posts but I should really wait till tomorrow.


Fuck.

Liquid
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posted March 02, 2000 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liquid   Click Here to Email Liquid     Edit/Delete Message
Say what you want about the Pander Bros (and I'll almost definately agree with you), but I do think they did a good job with the dead Helga picture, page 6 panel 3. Minimalist (in comparrison to every other frame they did). It's a good picture. I'm not sure wat my point is though, because i didn't really like the ret of the pander art.

I think i did like this issue a lot more than most of you though. However, I do have a few questions however. Where did all those pieces of paper come from? Where was the Marquis de Sade and his people (I thought they were suppossed to be there, "Tell de Sade to bring the orgone," but maybe, like Jim Crow, he was just helping out from afar). What exactly did Helga do to the mirror? Oh no, wait, i know he answer to that one. I'll be back after i reread it twice over again

Todd
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posted March 02, 2000 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Todd   Click Here to Email Todd     Edit/Delete Message
This may be totally offbase, but the girl in the last scene...could this be Robin? It sounds an awful lot like her childhood? Could jack be recruiting her?

I don't want to dig out all the old issues where they give robin's birthdate. If someone else knows what year she was born...I seem to remember her being like 37 in 2012 or something...that would make her...25 in 2001?

number nun
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posted March 02, 2000 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for number nun   Click Here to Email number nun     Edit/Delete Message
yeah im not into mob mentality, but it did seem like quit a rush job. Its not like we havn't had to wait for delayed issues before. But whatever, im happy as long as I'm not shot, and left in a mass grave!
I had the blind chessman nailed for who he was when i first saw him, but i also have been anxiously awaiting his return.
Those panzer bros seem like they had the FEAR when it came down to it, i mean there is no way the abbey coulda been cleared out that fast. Looks like they were intimidated by crowd scenes.
And Baj, who are those guys busting through something on the first panel, page nine? are they ciphermen? i figure they would all be gloids.
The whole thing about the billion eyes seems stolen straight from Kurt Vonnegut, im pretty sure slaughter house five.
Hey whats that song Miles is singing before he jumps? some eton fight song? i cant say im not sorry about Miles death, he's kinda like a bastard uncle that feels you up during the holidays...what the hell am i typing about???

creamedalbeeontoast
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posted March 02, 2000 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for creamedalbeeontoast   Click Here to Email creamedalbeeontoast     Edit/Delete Message
I just want to know what happens to George, Fanny and John after page 9 (Dig the Art by the way BAJ. I'd love it if you could send the proper version of your work my way.)
I mean they're getting this lecture from John, right? guys with guns. very tense. And then nothing till after it's all over. It seemed as if John was getting to a vital point about how and why he allowed himself to be changed, but it stopped before the good part. Maybe I was expecting a meeting between him and KM. It seemed apropriate.
In general there still seems to be several things that need flushing out here if I'm going to acheve series closure.
Still we have another issue coming. High spirits now!

Antlerhead
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posted March 02, 2000 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antlerhead   Click Here to Email Antlerhead     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, huge number of annotations...

p1 pan 6: This smoke appears to be the descending form of the fifth archon, since it's going into the Shoggoth here and later attacks Jack. So there were 5 archons in ish 3, afterall.

p1/2/3: Who's narrating here? Possibly a future Invisible (maybe even the girl on the last page) as evidenced by "This was fucking King Mob, man... They still talk about him" on p2 pan 1; but it also sounds like it was someone who was there, as the narrator says "Sometimes, I used to forget what he could actually do..." as if they were there and knew Jack. Maybe it's Jack or Mob in the future, after tehy've discarded their respective identities.

p. 3: Roy Lichtenstein was the painter who did blown-up comic panels and used comic iconography, including sound effects like "Whaaam!" as some kind of pretentious postmodern statement. You can find some of his stuff at http://www.posterhouse.com/roylichtenstein/roylichtenstein.htm

p. 4 pan 2: The Killing of the King is a freemason ritual, as all Kennedy conspiracy theorists should know, so the three bullets may very well be symbolic. The ritual depends on all kinds of trinities, I think.

p. 4 pan 5: This echoes the killing of Mr. Gelt in 1.1

p. 6/7: What is the yellow light that the words are coming from? The Invisible College?
Anybody besides me want to drop Key 23 and bust out the Magnetic Poetry set?

p. 8: BAJ, your Fanny is beautiful. Huge nose or not, a Motel 6 room for two sounds good about now.

p. 8 pan 5: John was Flint? Is John (and possibly by extension the Blind Chessman) actually the reader? Following what he says later in this issue, he dissapears into the time/fiction suit right before the series starts, and comes back at the end enlightened. Hmmmm....

p. 10 pan 1: Is that the Queen lying dead in the pink? Better check the headlines tommorow... heee heee heee. Also, the smoke has taken a new form after the possession.

p. 10 pan 4: Six and Helga have taken the place of the royal guard guys at the mirror, and also appear to be the Lovers from the tarot.

p. 11 pan 2: About the Hylic Grail, briefly: In Gnostic theory, "Hylians" are people who only see the base, physical world. But you already knew that.

p. 11 pan 4: Grant was talking about this in his Comics Journal interview, about how Christ told him during his illness that he had to break open his heart to let the light out.

p. 12 pan 4: How can Miles hang himself if this is just a bunch of little segments of rope?

p. 13 pan 2: One of the meaning I take from this issue is that we are finally being freed from the domination of the comic itself, that now that we have been "educated" by Lord Morrison, we can go forth into the world and get Whatever We Want. Those beetles are cool, too... and there's two of them. Ring any bells?

p. 14 pan 2: Binary code is the mechanical notation of the universe created by Light/Dark, Mirror/Anti-mirror. See, everything does rise from duality. Puts a new spin on The Matrix.

p. 16: What's this song? The Eton alma mater or something? And what comes after where Miles stops?

p. 18: I guess George's throat was cut after all, despite it not being shown earlier. Is Oscar in Division X now?

p. 19: The infamous Tesco bag returns. And it has raw carrots and vinegar crisps in it?

p. 20: This looks like Bobby Murray at various ages in the background, and, amusingly enough, some Bobbies.

p. 21: How long was KM in the hospital? It should have only been a day judging by Six's words, but Helga's already got her hair back.
and it's gray.
What's the significance of "Olga Tannen"? Just a warp of her old name and a new identity, I guess.

p. 22: The reader. It gets crazy from here, people... everybody ends initiation and gets a Cool Life next month.


Ramiel
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posted March 02, 2000 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ramiel   Click Here to Email Ramiel     Edit/Delete Message
I'm pretty certian that the Fuck U Girl from the end is the girl they met in the mall while looking for Boy in v2.

Dr. Zum
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posted March 02, 2000 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Zum   Click Here to Email Dr. Zum     Edit/Delete Message
Olga Tannen:
Joycean german- All' Getan? - All Done?


another gripe:
And after losing several pints of blood,and nearly dying, KM leaves the hospital the same day, wearing the bloody shirt that the ER team would have most certainly have had to cut off of him.

DrZ

uncle sham
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posted March 02, 2000 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for uncle sham   Click Here to Email uncle sham     Edit/Delete Message
antlerhead: initiation never ends.

Lionheart
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posted March 02, 2000 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lionheart   Click Here to Email Lionheart     Edit/Delete Message
Todd: Robin's 37 when she's shagging K.M. which is almost 15 years after she came to the past which makes the girl not Robin but the new recruit seen in volume two.

Sandfarmer: yes, those are eyeballs. yum. Yes, it is Sir Miles with the rope and you are right when you say the the colorist sucks. i like his range of colors but he seems to be lost (in a purple haze, perhaps?) and helga looks so fucked up when Miles' 23rd key hits in.

Liquid: Don't you mean dead jolly roger? not helga? the papers are dumped from above. since we do not see mr. six we assume automatically that he is responcible (him being my favorite god guy, with orlando being my favorite bad guy. ah, smell the duality...) I think the orgone was used to kill orlando.

number nun: Those are the computer monitors exploding. Since George is looking straight at them in the next panel I will assume that he's responcible.

Antlerhead: Jack/Dane is narrating from the future. see page 11, last panel.

Also, to all of those whom forget. Somebody said that John'a'Dreams was a name/identity every invisible used at one time or another.

About the rope. That's one trick we all learned. You tie knots and make the segments a whole. Wow! Magic!

About page 19: That bag is the one I dropped. It is my lunch. If anybody finds it then please notify me. I'm hungry.

About K.M. It is the day after. Helga's hair is back and is white because the experience was a "hair-raising experience." (Sorry. Old Bugs Bunny joke.)

Oh, btw....

FUCK U.

is, as I believe,

FUCK UNIVERSITY

or:

The Invisible College version 2.0

The Shagadelic School


-=Lionheart=-

Broad Arrow Jack
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posted March 02, 2000 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Broad Arrow Jack   Click Here to Email Broad Arrow Jack     Edit/Delete Message
Lionheart: Dane isn't the headmaster on the last page; the girl doesn't know who he is. He's just turned up at the school looking for her.

Sandfarmer: Yes, that is Helga on the top of page 13 - "Helga's face unfolds into biological horror - the unfolding of Kali, death and devastation, life and generation."

Number Nun: The 1st panel of p. 9 depicts the computer surveillance technicians, seen briefly last issue, as their equipment explodes from the pressure of the incoming Archon. Incidentally, I had originally drawn this panel as a Jack Kirby scene of chaos, huge screaming face in the foreground, frenzied panic in the background, but was asked to change it to how it now appears, which in my opinion is a far more boring layout. And again, those fucking colours didn't help any...

Antlerhead: Dane is the narrator at the beginning.

Ramiel: The Fuck U girl has been seen in the series before. I'll leave it up to you to figure out where, for now. And she will be seen again...

Broad Arrow Jack
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posted March 02, 2000 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Broad Arrow Jack   Click Here to Email Broad Arrow Jack     Edit/Delete Message
As far as the appearance of the Fuck U girl goes, fashion-wise, I'd like to remind everyone that I merely inked this page. Grant came up with the bizarro clothes which he described in a long rambling note to me as "Straight Edge/Stepford wife/New Romantic/Early 80s Ladi Di/Blouse and Jodhpurs/Midwich Cuckoos/Cute handbag on table/Avon Lady/Straight Edge X on hand. Happy face Nazi armband (NOTE: again fucked up by the colours). Badge: SEX DRINK DRUGS MEDIA (then a little drawing of the badge with the line through it with a note: "also Barbelith.").

There was a point when it was unsure if Grant would be drawing this page, and I had produced rough pencils. My concept of the kids of 2001 was nowhere near as odd as Grant's...

[This message has been edited by Broad Arrow Jack (edited March 02, 2000).]

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The last page is not just a recruitment of the fuck u girl but of the audience.
Jack is handing the blank badge to the reader.

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Thanks guys.

New question though.

What the hell happened to the archons? We see them coming for Dane and the guards on page 3 but then they are gone and frogotten after that. How did Roger get from the hands of the arhons in issue 3 to the hands of Mr. Slimey in issue 2, page 4, panle 1. And what about the queen. We see her take the crown in issue 3, page 19, panel 3 but she is no where to be seen in issue 2 and Mr. Slimey has the crown back? I'm confused and depressed.

I could also go on and on about how Vozzo couldn't even keep our character's clothes the same colors from issue 3 to issue 2. Gawd those colors suck. I hate to be negative and maybe after following a comic for six years I expect too much but I must say I'm disapointed.

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