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Topic: anarchism for the masses
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bookstore cowboy
Initiate |
posted December 11, 1999 04:39 AM
  
There are all these anarchists out there, but it seems so hard for
to network, what t'fuck am I doing wrong?
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted December 11, 1999 04:48 AM
It's just that anarchists lack social skills.
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grant
Operative |
posted December 11, 1999 05:31 AM
If I can tie a bow tie, does that mean I'm just an
anarcho-poser?
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bookstore cowboy
Initiate |
posted December 11, 1999 06:36 AM
kay guys, mebee I sounded a tad serious. just was thinking a few
balls rolling, or heads, might be fun, locked on the underbelly of
the world as am I.
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Nick
Myrmidon |
posted December 11, 1999 10:07 AM
I want to be an Anarcho-poseur, too! Where do I refuse to
join?
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bookstore cowboy
Initiate |
posted December 11, 1999 10:19 AM
All refusals to join the anarcho-poseur front for the elevation and
advancement of subversive wunderkind can be sent to bookstore cowboy
where they will be duly ignored and relegated to the recycle
bin.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Operative |
posted December 11, 1999 12:23 PM
I see you're familiar with my German cousins
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Geist
Initiate |
posted December 11, 1999 02:41 PM
I can't tie a bow tie, so I am for real,haha
Now, that was
easy
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Naraoia
Operative |
posted December 11, 1999 06:28 PM
Bookstore Cowboy wants to be the head and secret chief of the world
anarcho-poseur front! Death to all tyrants but me!
Isn't the idea of an anarchist network a little weird?
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bookstore cowboy
Initiate |
posted December 11, 1999 09:14 PM
It's the old dilemma of control vs chaos, one must have a certaoin
amount of control to organise the chaos otherwise the control will
simply take over while chaos is still trying to find its own arse.
To take the obvious example, are not the wonderanarchists, ie. KM
and such, rather organised?
Not that I'm suggesting any kind of
facile imitation, it is merely analogy.
Anyone, have you not seen
the Anarchist Yellowpages online?
[This message has been edited by bookstore cowboy (edited
December 11, 1999).]
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted December 11, 1999 09:35 PM
Try http://www.infoshop.org/
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Geist
Initiate |
posted December 12, 1999 02:36 PM
Thanks for posting that website
You should definitely post it
again in the Seattle-Forums. The pictures of the WTO-conference were
quite impressing. Especially those with the cops. Now I have a
pretty good idea what the forces of order look like.
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Naraoia
Operative |
posted December 12, 1999 08:00 PM
The Invisibles are highly organized, although they're fluid about
it, which I like. I think I'll go out on a limb here: KM and crew
are NOT ANARCHISTS! They are agents of change, not necessarily
chaos. There's a difference between control and order--you wouldn't
say that Nirvana was a place of total control, would you? And yet
it's a zone of perfect order. Not that the Invisibles are after
Nirvana... but okay, Danny the World. Self-organized, but organized
beyond belief. The idea is to create a living organic culture that
provides freedom without sacrificing the social contract. Total
anarchy would be howling entropy--it would fall apart in about five
minutes.
Chaos is winning without any kind of organization at all. The
forces of control are just as lost and scared as we are. Chaos is
our enemy too.
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted December 12, 1999 10:13 PM
Well, political anarchism has never been about "howling entropy" -
anarchists have spent years complaining that "chaos is not anarchy".
Although anarchists differ on what sort of organisation should
replace the state, very few are against organisation as such.
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Geist
Initiate |
posted December 12, 1999 10:33 PM
JS is right
The Modern day image of anarchy seems to be dominated
by Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan" still.
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King Mob
Operative |
posted December 12, 1999 10:48 PM
well,
i know everyone has a different definition for anarchy, but
i'm sick of people who think anarchy is the same as terrorism and
chaos.
in my humble opinion anarchy is simply about not wanting
anyone to tell you how to live your life.
there is no enemy. this
is a rescue mission.
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Naraoia
Operative |
posted December 13, 1999 08:30 PM
I flirted with anarchism for a while in high school--read Kropotkin
and Bakunin, tried Hobbes and gave up. It just didn't seem to work,
no matter how hard you tried--like Communism. Was I missing
something? I mean, whatever organization you put in its place looks
like it would devolve in no time. It would be Mensheviks all over
again--the first strong-willed asshole to come along would have his
way with everybody, and that would be that. The French Revolution
springs to mind as an example: how long did it take Napoleon to
knock that one over?
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted December 14, 1999 03:24 AM
Nobody said it was going to be easy, honey.
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Geist
Initiate |
posted December 14, 1999 12:15 PM
And what's holding a strong willed assholes in modern day
democracy?
Indeed it takes just a small glimpse of a minor crises
for a lot of so called concious citizen crying out for the strong
man!
...or speaking of ol' evil Adolf. He was officially elected
as chancellor, he didn't putsch his way on top!
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted December 14, 1999 12:21 PM
Rome wasn't destroyed in a day...
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Naraoia
Operative |
posted December 14, 1999 06:15 PM
The only thing holding back the strong-willed assholes in modern day
democracy is all the other strong-willed assholes who also want the
job. Did I give the impression I was in favor of the current system?
A thousand apologies if so. I just think any replacement that puts
its faith in some kind of hazy, hippie human nature argument is
doomed. Human nature is to exceed any system it's in--or build new
ones where there is none. That's what I thinks.
Of course, my real hope is that we'll evolve, that some bright,
cold morning we'll all wake up and go "what was I thinking?" and the
rats will throw their cellphones in the gutter and the mice will
realize they're allowed to love one another, if they want to.
Yeah. That's my real hope.
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seeker
Operative |
posted December 14, 1999 07:13 PM
Why can't everybody just be friends?
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