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Topic: Moore... Which Is Better?
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cstsyfrdm
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posted December 11, 1999 03:48 PM
 
Of the new Alan Moore comics, which do you all find is the better of
the lot? I am considering giving one a spin (too expensive to buy
them all), but am not very interested in 'superhero' stories (even
though I have really been enjoying 'The Authority'). Any ooey-gooey
good King Mob-ish tales being churned out over there?
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sleazenation
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posted December 11, 1999 03:55 PM
My fav has to be 'League of Extrodinary gentlemen'excellent title
and at the moment the first two parts of this six part series are
available in extravalue double sized reprints (1&2 and
3&4)-- the only real drawback with this title is the long time
between issues...
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted December 11, 1999 04:31 PM
I like 'Top 10': Moore's genre-splicing superhero/police soap opera
with a cast of thousands.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Operative |
posted December 11, 1999 04:37 PM
my vote has to go for 'Top 10' cause it's just so dense, dense in a
good way
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70sman
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posted December 11, 1999 05:15 PM
My vote goes to LOEG , cos its the only one Ive read. 
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Naraoia
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posted December 11, 1999 07:21 PM
I love Top 10, just for the idea of a world where everybody's a
superhero, though not necessarily very good at it. LOEG is brilliant
but occasionally twee, Promethea is a little airy for my taste, but
there are signs of possible future greatness. Tom Strong is Superman
done right. Hate Tomorrow Stories, Moore never did well with
eight-pagers and he hasn't gotten any better. They're either too
light and fluffy or to carefully constructed to be entertaining. And
then, of course, there's Supreme. No comment.
Unfortunately, all of them are superhero comics in the classical
sense. I think Moore's trying to take a page from Morrison, here,
since GM has so much fun doing JLA. Moore has a good feel for
superheros but he can't beat GM at his own game, for my
money.
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Qliphshifter
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posted December 12, 1999 09:47 AM
LOEG is the way to go, but Top 10 is well worth your time. Tomorrow
Stories is spotty, but can be very rewarding.
Supreme is fine by
me, but I like Suprema better than her big bro.
Even Youngblood
was looking interesting, but I think I only have two issues of it.
Oh yeah, Tom Strong is a lot of fun too.
Promethea is cool
enough, but the most disposable.
As for Glory, I think she's dead
in the water, but if you dig the Qabalah, then you need to check her
out.
[This message has been edited by Qliphshifter (edited December
12, 1999).]
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JackFrost
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posted December 13, 1999 09:41 PM
For Invisibles fans I would recommend 'Promethea'.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Operative |
posted December 14, 1999 07:20 PM
why Jack?
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glassonion
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posted December 14, 1999 07:27 PM
I can kinda see what Jack means (if I squint) but I reckon Promethea
would appeal more to people who were hoodwinked by all that Sandman
hullabaloo than Invisible types. For a savvy, up-to-date and truly
stylish read its gotta be Top 10, or the League if it ever came
out.
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted December 14, 1999 07:46 PM
I'd agree that 'Promethea' is pertinent to Invisibles readers
because, like much of Grant's work, it deals with the boundaries of
what is 'real' and what is fictional: the character, Promethea, is
an archetype summoned and 'inhabited' by 'real' people. It's a bit
Sandmanesque (and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way) but I
think it's another angle on what Grant's trying to do.
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JackFrost
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posted December 14, 1999 08:39 PM
Twig - Do I have to spell it out for you?  Really, read what Ganesha posted...
Ganesha - Thanks for posting a very concise explanation of why I
recommend it to Invisibles fans.
glassonion - I'll take the Sandman 'hullabaloo' over NYPD Blue
with superpowers *any* day...
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Naraoia
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posted December 15, 1999 07:26 PM
I agree that Promethea is interesting thematically, but I think he's
kind of soft-pedalling it. Even this last issue, which started to
come to a point about boundaries really didn't go far enough--and
he's already schematized the universe along emotional lines, which
kind of bugged me. I mean, who's to say (not even AM!) that "Mercy"
is a higher state than the Imagination? Unless I totally misread
that splash page, in which case, someone yell at me.
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted December 16, 1999 09:03 AM
Give him time.
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Broad Arrow Jack
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posted December 16, 1999 04:13 PM
If I had to save only one ABC book from a raging fire, it would have
to be League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I think that, though
essentially a pulp adventure comic, this ranks right up there with
Watchmen and From Hell in terms of astonishingly precise detail.
I buy and read and love all of the ABC line (even Tomorrow
Stories), but Promethea would sadly be the first to go if I
developed financial difficulties...
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Liquid
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posted December 16, 1999 08:39 PM
League of Extrordinary Gentlemen is the best Moore comic available
right now, but I think all his ABC books are great. Tom Strong ,
Promethea, are all incredible reads, and i highly recommend them to
everybody. Tomorow stories os good too, but not as good as the
others
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glassonion
Initiate |
posted December 16, 1999 09:56 PM
JackFrost - you mean 'Homicide' with super powers, which is a recipe
for utter perfection.
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JackFrost
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posted December 17, 1999 06:26 PM
Sorry glassonion, don't watch much TV at all, so all those cop shows
tend to blur together.
Is 'Homicide' the one where they break into song every so often?
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Naraoia
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posted December 17, 1999 06:45 PM
Glassonion: oh dear sweet lord! How cool would that be! And yes, Top
10 is a step in the right direction--although it lacks the hipness
of Homicide. I still love it.
JF: No, that would be Cop Rock, which barely saw the light of
day. Homicide--you know, Life on the Streets--was the best cop show
ever made. Which is why, of course, it was cancelled.
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JackFrost
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posted December 17, 1999 11:20 PM
Naraoia - I knew that, I was kidding
Please, somebody tell me exactly why Homicide was:
a) different from the other cop shows
b) so exceptionally good
Since I disregard the vast majority of TV shows (I'm even
forgetting to watch the one or two I do like) I may have missed
something here.
If it's like Top 10, then I'm kinda enjoying it, but I'm gonna
need a little bit more out of it...
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Naraoia
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posted December 18, 1999 06:51 PM
I've heard a lot of very bad critiques of Homicide that seemed to
miss the point. I'll try my best, but it's quite possible I'll miss
it as well--it was a very complex show (well, up to the last season,
anyway) and hard to pin down, which is part of why it was so good.
Homicide was very post-modern. There were all kinds of framing
devices and referential and self-referential bits. The camera work
was unlike anything you'll ever see on television again.
It played with modes and pastiches and so on... at times you
thought it took place in the fifties, at other times in the
nineties, and it did a good job of making the transitions so smooth
as to be meaningful, so that it instilled a sense of eternity and
the eternal mission of the characters.
That mission was summed up in the character of Pembleton (Andre
Braugher) whose job it was to "speak for the dead". A dark, serious
man with a bent toward philosophy and a passion for justice, who
eventually was driven to a stroke and had to learn to shoot his gun
again but who never gave up looking for the truth.
Then there was his partner, Bayless, the eternal rookie haunted
by the demons of his past who, after he got shot, went off on a
whole zen bisexual what-is-truth bent and never came back.
And so on, and so on... I don't think I'm doing justice. Each
character had so many facets, so much development. Every story was
full of truly surprising twists and hidden, subtle meanings...
It's the kind of show you have to watch several episodes of
before you'll like it, but believe me, it's worth it. Once you get a
feel for the characters their every action becomes magnified and
significant, and you begin to see the greater whole the show was
always working towards.
Oh, but if you see an episode with Michele Michele in it, turn
off the television immediately and go sit in a dark room until the
anxiety passes. The last season was an exercize in viral propaganda
and should not be viewed without the presence of a physician and a
good stash of memetic antibiotics handy.
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cstsyfrdm
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posted December 18, 1999 08:45 PM
Well, since I started this thread I thought I would throw in a
little bit of an update on my ABC reading list status. Picked up the
first four issues of LOEG as well as Promethea #s 1 and 2.
I have enjoyed LOEG tremendously, very nice read. I like the art
and feel the plot builds and progresses very nicely. Promethea has
an interesting idea behind it (as Jack Frost pointed out above), and
the promise is there, but (in the first two issues at least) I felt
myself still waiting for the punch that sends me reeling. I have to
agree with whomever stated that this series has a 'Sandman' feel
(something that I feel has been heavily exploited by Vertigo... to
the point of vomit... no more fairies!!).
As a note of mention, I also picked up 'Heart of Empire' by Bryan
Talbot recently. Beautiful. Wonderful. I recommend it to anyone who
reads the Invisibles.
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look!NickWaddam!
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posted December 20, 1999 07:52 PM
Alright, the onion is a friend of mine, but, he's right, Top Ten is
a special comic for special people.
And, to the onion:
Fraser, Simon etc seem hung up on it, also.
[This message has been edited by look!NickWaddam! (edited
December 20, 1999).]
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