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[wisp]
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posted December 04, 1999 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for [wisp]   Click Here to Email [wisp]     Edit/Delete Message

Okay, i am going through some strange little epoch in my life now, so i am asking for recommendations on any book/any sort of literature/or Something that will make me experience an odd understanding, or moment of clarity and i can go, 'Ahh, so is that how it is?'

kind of like a kick start.. hard to describe, but for some reason- i have a feeling that you entities would know what i am blathering about.

d.

ianjones
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posted December 04, 1999 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
Stone Junction by Jim Dodge, a very invisible story.

And something completely different and very old fashioned but utterly existential 'A Fearful Joy' by Joyce Carey

Or a childrens book with big Echoes
'The Sword in The Stone' by TH White. It makes the existence of the Disney Film look like human rights abuse.

All these books have warmed and informed my life.

Qliphshifter
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posted December 04, 1999 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Qliphshifter   Click Here to Email Qliphshifter     Edit/Delete Message
Anything by Tom Robbins.

Loz
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posted December 04, 1999 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loz   Click Here to Email Loz     Edit/Delete Message
'Sleeping in Flame' by Jonathan Carroll.

'Hermetech' by Storm Constantine.

(Wonders whether to post this then thinks 'what the hell')
'Cry to Heaven' by Anne Rice.

Tom
Archon
posted December 04, 1999 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message
Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut

Jack Fear
Myrmidon
posted December 04, 1999 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Fear   Click Here to Email Jack Fear     Edit/Delete Message
Paul Bowles--the novel The Sheltering Sky or some of the short tories, especially "A Distant Episode."

They'll give you clarity, for sure. Mind you, though, you might not like what you see...

Citizen Smith
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posted December 04, 1999 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
You can't really go far wrong with Kerouac, despite the fact he's considered a bit cheesy these days. On The Road certainly, which is worth the cover price for the last paragraph alone. But try The Dharma Bums and Desolation Angels.

Geist
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posted December 04, 1999 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geist     Edit/Delete Message
I'd recommend the Illuminati-Trilogy by R.A. Wilson.
Pretty odd things happened to me, after reading it.

Jackie Susann
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posted December 04, 1999 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jackie Susann   Click Here to Email Jackie Susann     Edit/Delete Message
Phil Dick's "Radio Free Albemuth" was the last book that gave me that "Oh my God!" sort of feeling.

Citizen Smith
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posted December 05, 1999 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
And I've said this before... Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me, by Richard Farina. I really can't recommend this book enough and will keep doing so until someone out there reads it.

70sman
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posted December 05, 1999 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test?
Cats Cradle by Vonnegut?
and VALIS of course.

Gentleman Assassin
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posted December 05, 1999 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gentleman Assassin     Edit/Delete Message
Dance of the Voodoo Handbag by Robert Rankin.
And then everything else he wrote.

matsya
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posted December 05, 1999 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matsya   Click Here to Email matsya     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes a Great Notion, by Ken Kesey. If it seems too hard to read the first time, put it down, give it a month, then try again. It's worth the effort.

This is the Great American Novel.

Oh - also stuff by John Irving or Joseph Heller leaves a certain clarity within.

m.

[wisp]
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posted December 06, 1999 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for [wisp]   Click Here to Email [wisp]     Edit/Delete Message

i've noticed as of late a cetain pattern in my life. For awhile, everything i have randomly read had something to do with Buddhism, before that was things having to do with Bakunin, now three completely separate novels mentioned the 'The Brothers Karamazov'. Times like these, i feel like someone is going to come up to me and say, 'Hello, I am the author of your life and i have come to set you free' via breakfast of champions-style. mon dieu.

Liquid
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posted December 06, 1999 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liquid   Click Here to Email Liquid     Edit/Delete Message
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, and The lord of the Rings trilogy.

Twig the Wonder Kid
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posted December 06, 1999 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twig the Wonder Kid   Click Here to Email Twig the Wonder Kid     Edit/Delete Message
Martin Amis's London Fields.

Anything by Will Self.

Jackie Susann
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posted December 06, 1999 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jackie Susann   Click Here to Email Jackie Susann     Edit/Delete Message
I am trying very hard to restrain myself from saying something mindlessly nasty about people's literary taste, but my self-control is wearing thin. If I see too many more pieces of complete shit in this thread I will lose it. You've been warned.

matsya
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posted December 06, 1999 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matsya   Click Here to Email matsya     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, and Valley of the Dolls, by Jacqueline Susann.

m.

Jackie Susann
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posted December 06, 1999 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jackie Susann   Click Here to Email Jackie Susann     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, thanks sweetie.

Jack Fear
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posted December 07, 1999 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Fear   Click Here to Email Jack Fear     Edit/Delete Message
Tread lightly, Jackie. Argue the work on its merit, if you must, but let's not go slagging people on matters of taste. Taste is a matter of... well... taste. And, as the saying goes, there is no accounting for that thing. Accept that. If you must "lose it," do so off-line.

Don't make threats in this Library. Let's be kind to each other.

Jackie Susann
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posted December 07, 1999 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jackie Susann   Click Here to Email Jackie Susann     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I know, but I am having a rotten day and must vent somewhere.

Naraoia
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posted December 07, 1999 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
Anything by Richard Grant. No, not Charles Grant. Richard Grant. My favorite is "Views from the Oldest House". His recent work is sublime, but his older stuff will knock your socks off--don't even think about the plot, just read for style and realize that yes, this is the way your brain works.

PornoHolocaust
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posted December 07, 1999 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PornoHolocaust     Edit/Delete Message
The Wasp Factory, by Iain Banks. Every chapter completely alters the story.

70sman
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posted December 07, 1999 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
indeed.
What a coincidence! I was just about to start a thread on Banks 2nd book , Walking on Glass which I thunk is quite , quite wonderful. As it is I dont have time , though.

Topper
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posted December 07, 1999 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Topper   Click Here to Email Topper     Edit/Delete Message
Dammit, Smith, I was going to say The Dharma Bums. I find it lifts my spirits and centers me when I let life get away from me.

Also, for a Robert Anton Wilson newbie, I'd skip Illuminatus and head straight for The Cosmic Trigger. It will blow your mind.

70sman
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posted December 07, 1999 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
BALLS!! Does "thunk" count as a freudian criticism of my literary taste?
My subconscious hates me , I swear..

JackFrost
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posted December 07, 1999 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JackFrost   Click Here to Email JackFrost     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't see if anybody else here mentioned them, but try the Cosmic Trigger Series by R.A. Wilson.

Remarkably eye-opening stuff, 1 & 2 are better than 3, in my opinion.

Todd
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posted December 08, 1999 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Todd   Click Here to Email Todd     Edit/Delete Message
eh, I don't know anything about no moments of clarity, but for sheer writerly brilliance and the highest per-page ratio of drop-the-book-stare-at-the-ceiling-and-marvel-at-use-of-the-English-language moments, try Vladimir Nabakov. My favorite is _Ada, or Ardor_, but you can't go wrong with his later, English-original stuff. _Lolita_, _Pale Fire_ (this year's model for writing school students, I'm told, _Pnin_, _Look at the Harlequins_, etc. All great stuff.

For strictly pyrotechnic and gymnastic reasons, Mark Leyner is the funniest man alive. Try his latest, _The Tetherballs of Bougainville_. It's absolutely hilarious.

Of course, the funniest book I've read all year was... Marylin Manson's Autobiography!!!! I got a copy from the Barnes and Noble bargain book section (anything from bargain books is reccomendable. I've gotten Rushkoff, Colin Wilson, Terrence McKenna, and too many other queer things to mention). The best part about the Manson book was that it was a used LIBRARY copy!!! Some poor librarian in Connecticut ordered Mr. Manson's book for god knows what reason. And now the kids can no longer check it out. Oh well.

Mystery Gypt
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posted December 08, 1999 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystery Gypt   Click Here to Email Mystery Gypt     Edit/Delete Message
i'll second -- or, i guess third -- Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger. the gee whiz and "whoa" factors in this crazy book are pretty high. especially if yr the type who walks around thinking that odd coincidences in yr life are of dire importance. and it'll make you "believe" in beings from the future/other dimensions, if you don't already. and then it'll make you throw the word "beleive" right out of yr lingu-closet.

ALSO -- and i wonder if anyone else has dealt with this book -- "You Bright And Risen Angels," by William Volman, is extraordinarily mind boggling. really a mind boggling piece. anyone else on that one?

matsya
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posted December 08, 1999 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for matsya   Click Here to Email matsya     Edit/Delete Message
Books by Australian author Janet Turner-Hospital, particularly "The Last Magician" are quite breathtaking. Also "Leaning Towards Infinity", by Sue Woolfe (also australian) is good - about an amateur mathematician who discovers a new type of number.

m.

Todd
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posted December 09, 1999 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Todd   Click Here to Email Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, anyone who has read the RAW canon should check out Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies" for the "other side" of General Semantics, Reich, and a whole bunch of other heresies. Gardner is a mathematician famous for Scientific American Columns (Continued by the fabulous Doug Hofstader), an annotated edition of Alice in Wonderland (which I believe has just entered a new, updated printing), and other books about science including one that influenced Nabakov's last book.

I say this not to take the piss out of anyone who is a ferevent RAW fan, but it's always good to read a critical and well thought argument against theories that might make a lot of sense intuitively and artistically but perhaps less so scientifically.

Lionheart
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posted December 10, 1999 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lionheart   Click Here to Email Lionheart     Edit/Delete Message
"My God, Watson! Do you know what this is?!"
Holmes was holding the ancient book in his shaking hands and looking at me with an excited, paranoid look.
"This is the

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70sman
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posted December 10, 1999 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
That kinda reminds me:

The Necronomicon by that funloving arab Abdul Alhazerad!

Dont know about moments of clarity , but you'll never sleep again!

Naraoia
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posted December 10, 1999 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
Lionheart, your tag is garbled on my screen (no HTML text for me, I'm afraid). Could you repost a text version?

bookstore cowboy
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posted December 11, 1999 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bookstore cowboy   Click Here to Email bookstore cowboy     Edit/Delete Message
Why oh why has noone mention MR William Seward Burroughs? Linguistic viral signposts that bypass large hunks of logic to make a deadly beeline for your centrebrain, taking out consciousness and common decency on the way through. Is he too obvious to mention? Sorry if he is.
Votes from here also include anything by Anthony Burgess, James Joyce, oh wonderkund influence, and c'mon, somebody ready Nietzsche for a bit of a giggle.
Nother vote for Dharma Bums too, my fav Kerouac. Cheesy? Kerouac, I'm no American, admittedly, but damn it I like him.

bookstore cowboy
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posted December 11, 1999 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bookstore cowboy   Click Here to Email bookstore cowboy     Edit/Delete Message
Of course, Umberto Eco, Umberto Eco goddamn it, read Umberto Eco, must do!

Citizen Smith
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posted December 12, 1999 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't actually say Kerouac was cheesy, but there are a lot of people who I talk to who dismiss him as sixth form angst. I love the guy.

bookstore cowboy
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posted December 12, 1999 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bookstore cowboy   Click Here to Email bookstore cowboy     Edit/Delete Message
Sixth form angst? Goddamnit who are these people - where's my shotgun? - who are they, what's the address, damnit! I'll geddem, I'll geddem, oh ho I'll geddem, they'll never see me coming, little skinny writer, never see me coming, put two shells BAM!! right there in their locked little asses. BAM!! BAM!! I say!

Qliphshifter
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posted December 12, 1999 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Qliphshifter   Click Here to Email Qliphshifter     Edit/Delete Message
Shit! I was gonna say Umberto Eco too. Anything by him is loads of fun. For the topic in question, I guess you should go with Foucault's Pendulum, but all of his stuff is great.

Mystery Gypt
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posted December 13, 1999 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystery Gypt   Click Here to Email Mystery Gypt     Edit/Delete Message
a really incredible *other* book by kerouac to check out is "Some of the Dharma" a huge book collecting his notes about buddism -- originally written as letters to ginsberg -- and which are presented in their original typographically amazing format. a very exciting kind of mystical text to jump into.

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