| Author |
Topic: moments of clarity |
[wisp] Operative |
posted December 04, 1999 04:10 AM
Okay, i am going through some strange little epoch in my life
now, so i am asking for recommendations on any book/any sort of
literature/or Something that will make me experience an odd
understanding, or moment of clarity and i can go, 'Ahh, so is that
how it is?'
kind of like a kick start.. hard to describe, but for some
reason- i have a feeling that you entities would know what i am
blathering about.
d.
|
ianjones Myrmidon |
posted December 04, 1999 09:30 AM
Stone Junction by Jim Dodge, a very invisible story.
And something completely different and very old fashioned but
utterly existential 'A Fearful Joy' by Joyce Carey
Or a childrens book with big Echoes 'The Sword in The Stone'
by TH White. It makes the existence of the Disney Film look like
human rights abuse.
All these books have warmed and informed my life.
|
Qliphshifter Operative |
posted December 04, 1999 10:17 AM
Anything by Tom Robbins.
|
Loz Operative |
posted December 04, 1999 12:50 PM
'Sleeping in Flame' by Jonathan Carroll.
'Hermetech' by Storm Constantine.
(Wonders whether to post this then thinks 'what the
hell') 'Cry to Heaven' by Anne Rice.
|
Tom Archon |
posted December 04, 1999 01:31 PM
Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut
|
Jack Fear Myrmidon |
posted December 04, 1999 01:59 PM
Paul Bowles--the novel The Sheltering Sky or some of the
short tories, especially "A Distant Episode."
They'll give you clarity, for sure. Mind you, though, you might
not like what you see...
|
Citizen Smith Operative |
posted December 04, 1999 06:48 PM
You can't really go far wrong with Kerouac, despite the fact he's
considered a bit cheesy these days. On The Road certainly, which is
worth the cover price for the last paragraph alone. But try The
Dharma Bums and Desolation Angels.
|
Geist Initiate |
posted December 04, 1999 09:11 PM
I'd recommend the Illuminati-Trilogy by R.A. Wilson. Pretty odd
things happened to me, after reading it.
|
Jackie Susann Operative |
posted December 04, 1999 10:07 PM
Phil Dick's "Radio Free Albemuth" was the last book that gave me
that "Oh my God!" sort of feeling.
|
Citizen Smith Operative |
posted December 05, 1999 10:42 AM
And I've said this before... Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To
Me, by Richard Farina. I really can't recommend this book enough and
will keep doing so until someone out there reads it.
|
70sman Operative |
posted December 05, 1999 01:04 PM
The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test? Cats Cradle by Vonnegut? and
VALIS of course.
|
Gentleman Assassin Operative |
posted December 05, 1999 02:15 PM
Dance of the Voodoo Handbag by Robert Rankin. And then everything
else he wrote.
|
matsya Operative |
posted December 05, 1999 11:10 PM
Sometimes a Great Notion, by Ken Kesey. If it seems too hard to read
the first time, put it down, give it a month, then try again. It's
worth the effort.
This is the Great American Novel.
Oh - also stuff by John Irving or Joseph Heller leaves a certain
clarity within.
m.
|
[wisp] Operative |
posted December 06, 1999 03:32 AM
i've noticed as of late a cetain pattern in my life. For awhile,
everything i have randomly read had something to do with Buddhism,
before that was things having to do with Bakunin, now three
completely separate novels mentioned the 'The Brothers Karamazov'.
Times like these, i feel like someone is going to come up to me and
say, 'Hello, I am the author of your life and i have come to set you
free' via breakfast of champions-style. mon dieu.
|
Liquid Operative |
posted December 06, 1999 09:25 AM
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, and The lord of the Rings
trilogy.
|
Twig the Wonder Kid Operative |
posted December 06, 1999 10:04 PM
Martin Amis's London Fields.
Anything by Will Self.
|
Jackie Susann Operative |
posted December 06, 1999 10:52 PM
I am trying very hard to restrain myself from saying something
mindlessly nasty about people's literary taste, but my self-control
is wearing thin. If I see too many more pieces of complete shit in
this thread I will lose it. You've been warned.
|
matsya Operative |
posted December 06, 1999 11:14 PM
Oh, and Valley of the Dolls, by Jacqueline Susann.
m.
|
Jackie Susann Operative |
posted December 06, 1999 11:40 PM
Oh, thanks sweetie.
|
Jack Fear Myrmidon |
posted December 07, 1999 12:32 AM
Tread lightly, Jackie. Argue the work on its merit, if you must, but
let's not go slagging people on matters of taste. Taste is a matter
of... well... taste. And, as the saying goes, there is no accounting
for that thing. Accept that. If you must "lose it," do so off-line.
Don't make threats in this Library. Let's be kind to each
other.
|
Jackie Susann Operative |
posted December 07, 1999 01:02 AM
Yes, I know, but I am having a rotten day and must vent somewhere.
|
Naraoia Operative |
posted December 07, 1999 10:03 AM
Anything by Richard Grant. No, not Charles Grant. Richard Grant. My
favorite is "Views from the Oldest House". His recent work is
sublime, but his older stuff will knock your socks off--don't even
think about the plot, just read for style and realize that yes, this
is the way your brain works.
|
PornoHolocaust Operative |
posted December 07, 1999 03:06 PM
The Wasp Factory, by Iain Banks. Every chapter completely alters the
story.
|
70sman Operative |
posted December 07, 1999 05:16 PM
indeed. What a coincidence! I was just about to start a thread on
Banks 2nd book , Walking on Glass which I thunk is quite , quite
wonderful. As it is I dont have time , though.
|
Topper Operative |
posted December 07, 1999 05:17 PM
Dammit, Smith, I was going to say The Dharma Bums. I find it lifts
my spirits and centers me when I let life get away from me.
Also, for a Robert Anton Wilson newbie, I'd skip Illuminatus and
head straight for The Cosmic Trigger. It will blow your mind.
|
70sman Operative |
posted December 07, 1999 05:18 PM
BALLS!! Does "thunk" count as a freudian criticism of my literary
taste? My subconscious hates me , I swear..
|
JackFrost Operative |
posted December 07, 1999 05:23 PM
I didn't see if anybody else here mentioned them, but try the Cosmic
Trigger Series by R.A. Wilson.
Remarkably eye-opening stuff, 1 & 2 are better than 3, in my
opinion.
|
Todd Initiate |
posted December 08, 1999 12:33 AM
eh, I don't know anything about no moments of clarity, but for sheer
writerly brilliance and the highest per-page ratio of
drop-the-book-stare-at-the-ceiling-and-marvel-at-use-of-the-English-language
moments, try Vladimir Nabakov. My favorite is _Ada, or Ardor_, but
you can't go wrong with his later, English-original stuff. _Lolita_,
_Pale Fire_ (this year's model for writing school students, I'm
told, _Pnin_, _Look at the Harlequins_, etc. All great stuff.
For strictly pyrotechnic and gymnastic reasons, Mark Leyner is
the funniest man alive. Try his latest, _The Tetherballs of
Bougainville_. It's absolutely hilarious.
Of course, the funniest book I've read all year was... Marylin
Manson's Autobiography!!!! I got a copy from the Barnes and Noble
bargain book section (anything from bargain books is reccomendable.
I've gotten Rushkoff, Colin Wilson, Terrence McKenna, and too many
other queer things to mention). The best part about the Manson book
was that it was a used LIBRARY copy!!! Some poor librarian in
Connecticut ordered Mr. Manson's book for god knows what reason. And
now the kids can no longer check it out. Oh well.
|
Mystery Gypt Initiate |
posted December 08, 1999 03:25 AM
i'll second -- or, i guess third -- Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic
Trigger. the gee whiz and "whoa" factors in this crazy book are
pretty high. especially if yr the type who walks around thinking
that odd coincidences in yr life are of dire importance. and it'll
make you "believe" in beings from the future/other dimensions, if
you don't already. and then it'll make you throw the word "beleive"
right out of yr lingu-closet.
ALSO -- and i wonder if anyone else has dealt with this book --
"You Bright And Risen Angels," by William Volman, is extraordinarily
mind boggling. really a mind boggling piece. anyone else on that
one?
|
matsya Operative |
posted December 08, 1999 05:06 AM
Books by Australian author Janet Turner-Hospital, particularly "The
Last Magician" are quite breathtaking. Also "Leaning Towards
Infinity", by Sue Woolfe (also australian) is good - about an
amateur mathematician who discovers a new type of number.
m.
|
Todd Initiate |
posted December 09, 1999 01:28 AM
Oh, anyone who has read the RAW canon should check out Martin
Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies" for the "other side" of General
Semantics, Reich, and a whole bunch of other heresies. Gardner is a
mathematician famous for Scientific American Columns (Continued by
the fabulous Doug Hofstader), an annotated edition of Alice in
Wonderland (which I believe has just entered a new, updated
printing), and other books about science including one that
influenced Nabakov's last book.
I say this not to take the piss out of anyone who is a ferevent
RAW fan, but it's always good to read a critical and well thought
argument against theories that might make a lot of sense intuitively
and artistically but perhaps less so scientifically.
|
Lionheart Operative |
posted December 10, 1999 04:15 AM
"My God, Watson! Do you know what this is?!" Holmes was holding
the ancient book in his shaking hands and looking at me with an
excited, paranoid look. "This is the
gsgsgadtadg+6+9+217*B OÍ+fm}ʤ+
|
70sman Operative |
posted December 10, 1999 08:46 AM
That kinda reminds me:
The Necronomicon by that funloving arab Abdul Alhazerad!
Dont know about moments of clarity , but you'll never sleep
again!
|
Naraoia Operative |
posted December 10, 1999 07:44 PM
Lionheart, your tag is garbled on my screen (no HTML text for me,
I'm afraid). Could you repost a text version?
|
bookstore cowboy Initiate |
posted December 11, 1999 07:11 AM
Why oh why has noone mention MR William Seward Burroughs? Linguistic
viral signposts that bypass large hunks of logic to make a deadly
beeline for your centrebrain, taking out consciousness and common
decency on the way through. Is he too obvious to mention? Sorry if
he is. Votes from here also include anything by Anthony Burgess,
James Joyce, oh wonderkund influence, and c'mon, somebody ready
Nietzsche for a bit of a giggle. Nother vote for Dharma Bums
too, my fav Kerouac. Cheesy? Kerouac, I'm no American, admittedly,
but damn it I like him.
|
bookstore cowboy Initiate |
posted December 11, 1999 09:34 PM
Of course, Umberto Eco, Umberto Eco goddamn it, read Umberto Eco,
must do!
|
Citizen Smith Operative |
posted December 12, 1999 01:56 AM
I didn't actually say Kerouac was cheesy, but there are a lot of
people who I talk to who dismiss him as sixth form angst. I love the
guy.
|
bookstore cowboy Initiate |
posted December 12, 1999 03:32 AM
Sixth form angst? Goddamnit who are these people - where's my
shotgun? - who are they, what's the address, damnit! I'll geddem,
I'll geddem, oh ho I'll geddem, they'll never see me coming, little
skinny writer, never see me coming, put two shells BAM!! right there
in their locked little asses. BAM!! BAM!! I say!
|
Qliphshifter Operative |
posted December 12, 1999 09:40 AM
Shit! I was gonna say Umberto Eco too. Anything by him is loads of
fun. For the topic in question, I guess you should go with
Foucault's Pendulum, but all of his stuff is great.
|
Mystery Gypt Initiate |
posted December 13, 1999 03:17 AM
a really incredible *other* book by kerouac to check out is "Some of
the Dharma" a huge book collecting his notes about buddism --
originally written as letters to ginsberg -- and which are presented
in their original typographically amazing format. a very exciting
kind of mystical text to jump into.
|