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grant
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posted November 19, 1999 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Tom,

do you get the kickback if I a/ get books not on your bookshop list or b/put them on a wishlist and buy them later?

Tom
Archon
posted November 19, 1999 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message
I know I get a kickback if you buy any books at Amazon having followed a link from barbelith. But I have no idea about wish-lists and stuff like that. I'd LIKE to know, but i don't...

sorry.

Tom
Archon
posted November 19, 1999 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message
I should make that clearer - if you follow a link for a Terrence McKenna book from barbelith, and then buy Mr Strong from Roger Hargreaves inestimable Mr Men series instead (but in the same session) then I get a small cut - I think it's about 5%.

Still no idea about wishlists though...

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 19, 1999 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Mr Uppity was my favourite...

70sman
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posted November 20, 1999 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
put my vote down for Mr.Bump.

PornoHolocaust
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posted November 20, 1999 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PornoHolocaust     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, what's with you Brits always spelling Terence Mckenna with 2 R's in his first name? Is this like calling the trunk of your car the "boot" or spelling "realize" with an S?

Twig the Wonder Kid
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posted November 20, 1999 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twig the Wonder Kid   Click Here to Email Twig the Wonder Kid     Edit/Delete Message

tell me Mr Tickle wasn't a progenitor of the slacker generation. Being able to raid the biscuit barrel without getting out of bed.

The first inaction hero.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 20, 1999 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Y'mean doing it the proper way, Pornoholocaust? Like pronouncing 'herb' with an 'h'?

Loz
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posted November 21, 1999 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loz   Click Here to Email Loz     Edit/Delete Message
But what about Mr. Mischief, the Invisible Mr Man? And Little Miss Bossy, the Myrmidon Little Miss?
Oh dear, I feel a Mr. Man/Invisibles crossover coming on...

number nun
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posted November 23, 1999 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for number nun   Click Here to Email number nun     Edit/Delete Message
Wow kickbacks from amazon, huh? Makes me feel like going to the used bookstore in my city, the one i bought the illuminatus triligy and loads of philip k dick, and all those neat-o 70's occult books...oh wait, he closed down six months after borders moved in down the street...Every one bow down to the faceless world of conveinance, its a new era...oh yeah, was there something we were fighting for? I forget.

Jackie Susann
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posted November 23, 1999 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jackie Susann   Click Here to Email Jackie Susann     Edit/Delete Message
My, somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

If all things corporate are as utterly despicable as you seem to think, why do you read The Invisibles?

If we are fighting for anything, don't you think it's a little more complex than the right to buy our consumer items from small businesses rather than large ones?

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
That's right, number nun, we're all heartless whores to the evil that is capitalism. Except you, no doubt.

Topper
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posted November 23, 1999 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Topper   Click Here to Email Topper     Edit/Delete Message
Jackie said:
"If we are fighting for anything, don't you think it's a little more complex than the right to buy our consumer items from small businesses rather than large ones?"

Maybe so, maybe not. It's part and parcel of the whole. A fractal. As above, so below. Etc. One thing the Invisibles stand for is diversity. A Barnes&Noble, Starbucks, and Wal-mart on every corner is not diversity.

grant
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
But is Amazon?

70sman
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posted November 23, 1999 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
Amazon offers to post me , within a day , a huge selection of literature so diverse and esoteric that the old lady who runs my local bookshop would have a stroke if i went in and read out the titles.

Thus , amazon is good.

Jackie Susann
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jackie Susann   Click Here to Email Jackie Susann     Edit/Delete Message
Topper said:
"One thing the Invisibles stand for is diversity. A Barnes&Noble, Starbucks, and Wal-mart on every corner is not diversity."

But a whole bunch of equally capitalistic, but less powerful, small businesses is diversity? As above, so below: small businesses are the same as big ones. If you're taking this revolutionary rhetoric at all seriously, it means getting rid of capitalism, not scaling it down to a nice friendly size.

Topper
Operative
posted November 24, 1999 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Topper   Click Here to Email Topper     Edit/Delete Message
True. But let's stay within the confines of capitalism for a moment. Yes, I think it's a given that a whole bunch of equally capitalistic, but less powerful, small businesses are more diverse than monolithic corporations. You walk into a Starbucks (or UK equivalent) and you know what you're getting. But Freddo's Coffee might serve Mint Delight. And Teddo's Coffee might have cherry cheescake, plus internet terminals. And Teddo and Freddo both have more friendly, personal service than Starbucks. Teddo might brew me a cup of green tea with honey even though it's not on the menu. Therefore, more diversity. Right?

Now let's step away from capitalism. Far away from it. Personally I hate the way it commodifies everything - from a pristine natural landscape to man's artistic drive. Trees = paper. A stream = white water rafting course. A field = parking lot. Capitalism doesn't let you value things for what they are. And I'd love to have a system that did.

You say you want a revolution? Well I'd love to hear the plan. But for now I'll take diversity where I can find it.

Cheers, and happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the States.

Jackie Susann
Operative
posted November 24, 1999 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jackie Susann   Click Here to Email Jackie Susann     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, so Freddo's cafe serves Mint Delight - does that really mean diversity? It just sounds like Coke vs Pepsi to me. I could go all Situationist and explain how the spectacle of diversity is nothing more than the natural form of capital in these cynical, postmodern times - the recuperation of the desire for change. Or I could go on a crit. theory tangent and suggest that such models of diversity mask the social contradictions they help to constitute, reifying difference as an abstraction so as not to introduce conflict with the preimposed, hegemonic social categories of life under capital (i.e. class, race, gender, etc.). Or, to put it more plainly, the right to buy stuff, however supposedly diverse, does not in itself count as diversity. Consumption is consumption, not difference or change.

I don't have a plan for revolution so, like you, I'll take what I can get here and now. But that doesn't mean thinking a piece of cheese cake counts as difference, or that I can consume my way into a better tomorrow.

Happy thanksgiving, by the way, I wish we had more holidays over here. (What am I saying? I'm unemployed.)

[This message has been edited by Jackie Susann (edited November 24, 1999).]

Topper
Operative
posted November 25, 1999 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Topper   Click Here to Email Topper     Edit/Delete Message
When you're unemployed, every day is a holiday

Karen Elliot
Operative
posted November 27, 1999 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karen Elliot     Edit/Delete Message
amen to that, but, could you tell my mother?

grant
Operative
posted December 17, 1999 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Tom, I just bought a few things for Christmas on Amazon via your site. I stuck
em in the shopping cart overnight and went directly there the next day (last night).
If you don't get kicked back around $5 or so, lemme know.

-- gab

Tom
Archon
posted December 18, 1999 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message
You're a star! That might help fund the spiralling cost of running the Nexus...

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