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rakehell
Initiate
posted November 16, 1999 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rakehell   Click Here to Email rakehell     Edit/Delete Message
Just want to know if and how people here are spreading 'Invisibles' like ideas?

grant
Operative
posted November 16, 1999 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
I try, via my day job (UFO-inspired tabloid poet for the Sun tabloid, in America) and with goofy pop songs over the Internet about things like black holes and quantum loooove.

levon
Operative
posted November 16, 1999 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for levon   Click Here to Email levon     Edit/Delete Message
I make posters with obscure subversive slogans sometimes, but i havent had access to silkscreen supplies for a year.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 16, 1999 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
As a psychiatrist, I reassure deluded and paranoid individuals that, secretly, they're correct and there IS a grand conspiracy.

(Heh! Just kidding, Royal College of Psychiatrists! <Phew> )

look!NickWaddam!
Operative
posted November 16, 1999 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for look!NickWaddam!   Click Here to Email look!NickWaddam!     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I do. I punch a lot of people in the face. "C'mon then!" I shout. Then we all "glass" each other.

Loz
Operative
posted November 16, 1999 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loz   Click Here to Email Loz     Edit/Delete Message
I tried, then realised the Government had already indoctrinated all the children via Childrens BBC and Otis the Aardvark so am currently undergoing a rethink. However, I did persuade two pupils to read up on gnosticism so they could then say stuff in their RS lesson to piss off the teacher...

70sman
Operative
posted November 16, 1999 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
I use hidden messages in my bizarre comic strips (soon to be online if they scan well).
Unfortunately , they currently have a readership of about six.
I also shout discordian slogans at passing drunks and conspiricy theorize endlessly, if that counts.

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 16, 1999 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
I talk to people as if they are real, and some of them are, and some them could become so, and some have already died.

Chip
Myrmidon
posted November 17, 1999 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chip   Click Here to Email Chip     Edit/Delete Message
Some kids in my study hall were misbehaving, so I gave them some Hakim Bey to read. I've also been bringing comics and gaming books into school to show to my students (though I haven't quite worked anyone up to Invisibles level yet).

PornoHolocaust
Operative
posted November 17, 1999 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PornoHolocaust     Edit/Delete Message
I slaughter innocent children with popular haircuts.

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 17, 1999 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
Chip thats a fine example of treating people as real: you stepped outside of your role, and pushed them into something that was outside theirs.

grant
Operative
posted November 17, 1999 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
I second that emotion.

snow_goon
Initiate
posted November 17, 1999 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snow_goon   Click Here to Email snow_goon     Edit/Delete Message
I was not aware that popular haircuts were deadly weapons.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 17, 1999 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Beware of Low-Flying Mullets.

seeker
Operative
posted November 17, 1999 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker   Click Here to Email seeker     Edit/Delete Message
My mission is to have a mullet which I can strangle myself with.

PornoHolocaust
Operative
posted November 18, 1999 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PornoHolocaust     Edit/Delete Message
snow_goon: Apparently you missed the 80s.

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 18, 1999 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
Agitate, Educate, Disorganize

70sman
Operative
posted November 18, 1999 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
in that order?

Johnny not-on-the-spot
Operative
posted November 18, 1999 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny not-on-the-spot   Click Here to Email Johnny not-on-the-spot     Edit/Delete Message
I'm seeing how far I can abuse the system without anyone knowing, or even caring.

Cochese
Operative
posted November 18, 1999 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cochese     Edit/Delete Message
I was well up for putting loads of odd signs in roundabouts on Saturday night, but then I got home and the beer suddenly decided it was tired and stopped making me do things. File that one away for later on, I think.

PATricky
Operative
posted November 19, 1999 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PATricky   Click Here to Email PATricky     Edit/Delete Message
Hard to say what I "DO" as a planned out sort of thing.

nearly every conversation is an opportunity but that always depends on the conversation & those conversing.

I'm buying 2 issues of the invisibles just so I could lend a copy out . . .

alot of people I'm around seem to be of that sort of mental bend with only details to differ on.

Oh and then there's my own comic strip & the subliminal stuff I sneak into the Magazine I design for . . .

Still I'm somewhat known for the being somewhat weird among the weird & that's been quite fun.

PATricky AKA PATrippy also

PATricky
Operative
posted November 19, 1999 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PATricky   Click Here to Email PATricky     Edit/Delete Message
Oh . . .

and I'm all for an organised front of some sort!

C'mon, let's change the worlds you people !!!

anything less isn't worth the effort

dr a.s.k.
Initiate
posted November 19, 1999 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dr a.s.k.     Edit/Delete Message
I throw great parties.

And masturbate a lot -- I mean charge sigils a lot!

rakehell
Initiate
posted November 20, 1999 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rakehell   Click Here to Email rakehell     Edit/Delete Message
I don't wantt o bring anyone down, but what's the point of the Invisibles if we don't do anything.

When I met Grant, he was really pushing the idea of the Invisibles as a catalyst to get people up off their couch and out doing something. I'm not sure if his vision quite matches reality.

It's one thing to wonder which 70s TV show is represented in panel 3 of issue 12 V3, and quite another to understand it as a whole and try to go out and perpetrate some 'ontological terrorism' of your own.

We're looking at some bad times ahead for us and the whole planet. Fossil fuels predicted to run out in the next 25-30 years. Seven billion people on this ball. Somebody has to do something, someone has to act as an alarm clock.

If not us, then who?

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 20, 1999 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
If we need to have each others agreement before we commit ourselves we have already lost.

If we limit ourselves to minor discordian acts, such as playing with traffic signs W H A L.

If we plan real subversion on a public forum W H A L.

This is a place to thrash out an ideology that we can commit to, and maybe an agenda of what can be opposed successfully.

I think we are on the way.

[This message has been edited by ianjones (edited November 20, 1999).]

IŅaki
Initiate
posted November 20, 1999 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IŅaki   Click Here to Email IŅaki     Edit/Delete Message
I have a group of music when I put invisible ideas. I will let you Know when we can record something, altough we sing in Spanish I believe you could get the main Ideas.

Count me on to organise a Latin cell, or something like that. We have to change the world, or at least have fun trying to make it.

Loz
Operative
posted November 21, 1999 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loz   Click Here to Email Loz     Edit/Delete Message
Just because I may not be doing much at the moment doesn't mean I'm betraying some mystical set of 'Invisibles principles'. The one thing reading the comic each month has brought home to me is how little I know, not just in terms of weird things like the Principia Discordia and The Law of Fives, but in the more mundane areas such as recent history and science. If I were to try anything in my current state of ignorance I would, if I was lucky, end up in a similar situation to Dane in the first issue, stuck in some rehabilitation centre or, more likely as I'm 23, in prison. At the moment I settle for just trying to turn on friends and acquantences to The Invisibles and hoping they'll enjoy it as I do.
Besides, we've still got 12 years and a month, what's the rush?

rakehell
Initiate
posted November 21, 1999 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rakehell   Click Here to Email rakehell     Edit/Delete Message
I would just hate for us to turn around one day and say: "What the hell happened? We were so onto it, we were so into it, we were so there. Why are we standing atop a smoking ruin?"

I feel like it's almost my duty to do something. There are people who are going to prison or getting killed for their beliefs and we sit in front of our computers and buy our comics somehow thinking it's enough. I'm making generalisations which are probably untrue, but...

Blind people learn how to drive, one armed people scale mountains, teenagers win Nobel prizes, I can't get out of bed in the morning.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 21, 1999 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
That last bit about no-legged people climbing mountains (or whatever) reminds me of an interview I once read with Pat Mills (writer of not-very-good comics) on the subject of his time with British girls' comic, Bunty. He described the types of story girls seemed to like including 'disability heroines' who had courageously overcome a physical obstacle to develop near-superhuman abilities in their field. Mills and another writer vied to come up with the most absurd character based on this theme, and I believe 'Sue - Blind Tennis Player' was actually published for a few issues. Probably the funniest thing Pat Mills has ever done.

Twig the Wonder Kid
Operative
posted November 21, 1999 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twig the Wonder Kid   Click Here to Email Twig the Wonder Kid     Edit/Delete Message
Don't be so dismissive of Pat Mills. I used to love Nemesis the Warlock in 2000AD.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 21, 1999 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Mmm, I suppose it was interesting at first. Mills certainly knows how to stripmine an idea to the bedrock...

IŅaki
Initiate
posted November 21, 1999 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IŅaki   Click Here to Email IŅaki     Edit/Delete Message
Was Pat Mills the Guy of Marshall Law? I like that series. It was really Funny

PATricky
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PATricky   Click Here to Email PATricky     Edit/Delete Message
STORIES STROIES STORIES!!!

if the world IS made of words what we all seem to have in abundance is the gift of comunication.

We have to retell the story of our reality!

And continue to do so untill there are sooooo many layers & permutations that upon casual inspection there can be nothing but that story.

Has anyone heard of the 100th monkey theory?

In short (and this is probably a perfect exapmle of a story told so many times it's reached mythic proportions) the theory suggests that if a critical number of a given species reaches a new understanding then that understanding will arise into the species as a whole, with out the need of some form of information transfer.

With each person that begins thinking "invisibly" the whole of human nature is just a bit closer to having Invisible Thinking as a normal trait.

Beyond that . . . throwing parties is both alot o fun and a lot o work.

still, it's always been spectacular experiences

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm, isn't that the old Dream of 1000 Cats? And is it just me or is that issue of Sandman hugely overrated?

number nun
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for number nun   Click Here to Email number nun     Edit/Delete Message
What, am i suppossed to be like " yeah i was awfully subversive today, I yelled positive messeges to old fuckers as my 1967 lime green volvo p1800 drove slowly past them" or "I slipped some school kids some acid on their way to school so they could be free, man!" or any of that shite."Hey guys, I'm wild, I'm bringing down the man from with in the system!" First of all, if i was doing something invisibleish I wouldn't tell you people, because it's really none of your business, and also, that would be visible wouldn't it. Remember the wise words about the anarchist hero turning rebellion into consumer commodity.DON'T SMOKE WEED! BE FREE!
SMOKE WEED! BE FREE!

[This message has been edited by number nun (edited November 23, 1999).]

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Just relax, number nun, breathe deeply... The Sense-of-Humour nurse will be here in no time, with your implant.

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
Dream of a 1000 cats was the entry point for my daughter at 7 to the Sandman. It was great to help share the inversion of it all. I'm not sure its a grown up story tho'

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
I can't really understand why it's been so critically acclaimed; it looks to me like a cute story he knocked up in a weekend.

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
My implicate answer to that was because the critics are sensitive literate seven year olds.

grant
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
I liked that story immensely (despite the fact that I instinctively root for dogs against cats) probably precisely because it had that seven-year-old feeling without being crass or dumb. Unlike most comics (even one-shots), it's very self-contained. Cute and scary -- a difficult balance. Reminds me of Hans Christian Andersen.... Well, sort of.
I don't know about art but I know what I like.

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