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Topic: Is Kevin Smith Invisible
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Invisible_al
Initiate |
posted November 05, 1999 11:50 AM
  
Dogma, the new Kevin Smith film, is about to come out in the US (52
days wait for the UK).
I've just noticed something on the
newsaskew website (http://newsaskew.com). Kevin Smith appears to be
wearing an Invisibles badge in the film.
Have a look at
(http://newsaskew.com/dogmarc/co4.jpg).
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Mazarine
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 02:09 PM
Holy crow. It sure looks like an Invisible badge... but it could
also be a jacket button reflecting the light weirdly. Dunno.
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grant
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 03:10 PM
Well, he IS a comics fan.
He IS a social subversive....
and, based on his latest movie, he IS of a metaphysical
bent.......
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Mazarine
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 04:38 PM
Hey, someone should email him. Maybe he's a member and we just don't
know it.
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70sman
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 07:18 PM
i hope he is invisible. i already worship the ground he walks
on.
But his movies have always seemed a little too nihalistic
(thats definately spelt wrong)
to fit in with Grants vision.
shnoogans!
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seeker
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 08:03 PM
nihilistic, nihilistic (1)
-Seeker (who probably spelt it wrong too)
(1) The leading political dogma of todays youth, though I would
advocate not calling them "nihilists", but "vague nihilists"
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 08:54 PM
Why are you asking? I mean, I've only seen Mallrats, and that was
great. I've got tickets to a sneak preview, which, on top of being
the return of Jay & Silent Bob, but also stars (wait for it...)
Linda Fiorentino. I'm all a quiver. As to invisible signifigance?
Pop icons as fallen angels, trying to get back to heaven but causing
armageddon? Neah. Not them guys.
Shit, I just spilt my beer typing that.
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PornoHolocaust
Initiate |
posted November 05, 1999 11:56 PM
Don't drink and type.
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Liquid
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 11:59 PM
At last years San diego Comic con, at the View Askew Pannel, Keven
Smith showed us a clip from the movie (hilarious!) and then listed
some of his influences for it. One was Neil Gaiman, another was
Grant Morrison.
Invisible indeed.
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Mazarine
Myrmidon |
posted November 06, 1999 02:24 AM
Hotcha! We've got Kevin Smith on our side! (or Kevin Smith's got us.
Possibly both.) If you go to the website, the Hate Mail of the Week
is pretty darn interesting. It's http://www.dogma-movie.com/
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70sman
Operative |
posted November 06, 1999 09:53 AM
woo-hoo! since ive come here ive discovered several of my favorite
people are invisibles fans.
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Imp0zz!bL
Operative |
posted November 08, 1999 01:02 AM
If Kevin Smith is invisible, does this mean we have to watch for 37
the same way we do with 23?
(It looks like Jay is pointing to the badge)
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mr.sun
Operative |
posted November 08, 1999 04:37 AM
eeeew.i wish his films were invisible so i wouldn't have to see
them. inaudable too.
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number nun
Initiate |
posted November 09, 1999 02:15 AM
yeah why does it seem so many people are obsessed with this guy?
people stood in line for like days at the chicago con this summer to
meet him! ????!
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70sman
Operative |
posted November 09, 1999 01:17 PM
well , I cant see any reason to be particularly obsessed with HIM ,
but his MOVIES are the funniest and most charcterfull , entertaining
and touching (eeew!) things ive seen in the whole of my short
life.
And he makes out , quite wrongly , that its cool to read
comics.which is reassuring.
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JackFrost
Operative |
posted November 10, 1999 08:54 PM
I dunno about you guys, but Dogma looks like it's got quite a bit of
Preacher influence in it too.
Not that I don't want to see it, but with everyone talking about
the influences in the film, I'm surprised this got missed.
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PornoHolocaust
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posted November 10, 1999 09:06 PM
In the December 1998 Playboy he credits a lot of that to his
Catholic upbringing--but yeah, he admits he'll read anything DC puts
out. I think he's a pretty funny guy, though some of his themes can
get repetitious. "Dogma" is supposed to have a lot of special
effects, so I'm expecting something a bit different than his
previous efforts.
And has anyone seen the Mallrats DVD? The ad on the back of the
fourth issue of "Jay & Silent Bob" says it has an hour of
additional scenes. Are these put into the main body of the film, or
are they outtakes?
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Imp0zz!bL
Operative |
posted November 11, 1999 12:13 AM
I don't think they're outakes. I know for certain that there is a
scene in the DVD that was was cut from the final edit, and it shows
that chick dying that they mention at the start.
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Qliphshifter
Operative |
posted November 11, 1999 08:51 AM
Anybody see Kev on "Politically Incorrect" this evening? (Does this
show air over in Britain? It should.)
The show started off with
Kevin immediately taking flak from some Christian I-Don't-Know-What
about his new movie "Dogma". Monsieur Smith was so cool and calm, it
was a pleasure to behold. I'll spare you the blow-by-blow, but I was
really impressed with how sober and respectful Kevin behaved.
PI
tends to repeat often, so keep your eyes peeled for this particular
show.
I was interested to hear that Kevin Smith is a practicing
Catholic. Supposedly he tithes and attends services regularly. I
won't go so far as to say that I "respect" that, but I have no
problems with it. I am slightly puzzled, but...do what thou wilt,
baby!
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grant
Operative |
posted November 11, 1999 02:40 PM
I'll definitely keep an eye out for that PI.
On the Mallrats DVD -- it's the only feature film I've ever seen
on a DVD, and yeah, they have a feature where you can "switch on"
scenes that got deleted from the final cut. I think it's closer to
20 minutes than 60. There's also lots of audio commentary which I
didn't get to listen to.
Apparently, the scene where Silent Bob
is hanging upside down trying to use the Force -- they actually
filmed that right side up with an upside down camera and either
wired or shellacked Kevin's coat to make it stand up. He was too
heavy to tie up by his ankles, apparently.
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 11, 1999 02:53 PM
Hmmm...I only managed to see Mallrats a couple of months ago and I
actually wasn't that impressed. It just, er, didn't seem that good.
Looked like one of those films that wants to have its post-modern
cake and eat it too: come over as somehow subversive yet repeat much
of the same 'guy gets the girl' formulae as any other cheesy
Hollywood flick.
Are any of his other films any better?
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grant
Operative |
posted November 11, 1999 07:10 PM
Yes. Much.
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted November 11, 1999 10:15 PM
No, not at all.
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Liquid
Operative |
posted November 12, 1999 10:13 AM
I liked all of his movies, including mallrats. But that's just
me.
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70sman
Operative |
posted November 12, 1999 07:26 PM
i thought mallrats was the best. and so did all my friends. so
there.
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted November 13, 1999 02:23 AM
I agree that Mallrats is the best, it's the one where he's not
trying to do anything serious or artistic.
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PornoHolocaust
Initiate |
posted November 13, 1999 03:33 AM
I just saw "Dogma" and JackFrost is right. A lot of Preacher in
there, and also some of Gaiman's Death and other things. This was
probably my least favorite Smith movie--too many long-winded
explanations and not enough of the biting humor seen in Mallrats and
Clerks. There are some great jokes, especially with Jay and Silent
Bob (another Indiana Jones joke), but even Jason Lee didn't seem as
energetic as he was in Mallrats. Not a great film, but worth seeing
if you like the other ones.
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PornoHolocaust
Initiate |
posted November 13, 1999 03:46 AM
Oh yeah, and Ganesha, you get a reference in the first five
minutes.
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levon
Operative |
posted November 13, 1999 08:43 PM
Clerks was pretty good.
Mallrats was bad but had some funny
moments.
Chasing Amy sucked.
Dogma I haven't seen but I'm
psychic and it sucks.
Superman was never made but I bet the
script sucked.
Now for the comics.
Oni press sucks (except for
that St. Swithins day reprint).
Daredevil sucks.
But Clerks
was pretty good!
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grant
Operative |
posted November 14, 1999 05:04 AM
I really liked Clerks because it didn't seem like he was trying to
be clever.
I just saw Dogma a couple hours ago.
It's pretty funny -- except where he's trying to be clever. The
casting is more fun than the acting in a lot of places, and he's
definitely up on his angelology.
Plus, I really liked the general character of God.
The preachy bits made me cringe a bit though.
I should also mention that I'm terribly prejudiced against malls
in general.
I should also mention that whatsished Ewell, the guy who really
made Chasing Amy worth watching, was in a great indie film I just
saw at the Ft. Lauderdale Film Festival called "Man of the Century".
It's about a young, upbeat newspaper columnist in a paper in
today's New York who is stuck in the 20s or 30s.
He can
charleston like the wind and says "banana oil" instead of "bullshit"
and frustrates his girlfriend because although he's champagne and
roses all the way, he'll only kiss her cheek.
Ewell is a coworker
at the girlfriend's gallery.
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Invisible_al
Initiate |
posted November 18, 1999 02:51 PM
I'd disagree with saying Mallrats is his best work, it is the most
fun but I'd say Chasing Amy was my favourite.
He's definitely got
better at making films and the sheer emotion in some of the scenes
in Chasing Amy was very powerful. And the black dude was
great.
Of course Clerks is still cool.
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grant
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 03:19 PM
"you see that white man over there? that man is the DEVIL!"
That's the guy with the supporting role in Man of the
Century.
Check it out if you get a chance.
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JackFrost
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 06:34 PM
I can answer the topic with an actual story of Kevin being
Invisible.
Apparently there were Christian protestors at one of the
premieres (No way, protestors, this movie?) and a clean shaven Kevin
got into the crowd and started to protest his own movie!  I gotta tell ya, I laughed out loud
when I saw a small photo of an angry Kev holding signs that say
"Kevin Smith is a cocksucker!" and "Dogma is DOGSHIT!".
He said he chatted with the protestors (who obviously didn't know
who he was, stupid, knee-jerk reactionaries) for awhile and was
surprised at some of the things these people would say about his
mother.
I had a chuckle or two...
[This message has been edited by JackFrost (edited November 18,
1999).]
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grant
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 07:46 PM
Man, where'd you hear that?
too cool.
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Sandfarmer
Operative |
posted November 19, 1999 10:25 PM
I saw Dogma this past weekend and the entire film is brilliant.
Wonderful take on God. Myself and the entire sold out audience
laughed out loud through the whole thing. I can't wait to see it
again.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Initiate |
posted November 20, 1999 07:18 PM
Is there a UK release date for Dogma yet?
You can download the script from www.ewebdesign.net/jsworld/dogma.html if you're
into spoilers.
To add my four-penneth to the shrine of Smith I think his scripts
are sharp but he's not much of a director. His camerawork sucks like
an electrolux and most of the performances are a tad 'lacklustre'.
Chasing Amy is probably his best to date.
He's just John Hughes for the nineties, watching his films makes
me feel ten years too old.
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Sandfarmer
Operative |
posted November 21, 1999 02:49 PM
I like Smith's directorial style. I'm getting tired of directors who
feel like the camera has to be in constant motion. Just let the damn
thing sit still for a moment.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Initiate |
posted November 21, 1999 03:28 PM
Call me pedantic but he could at least stick to using the takes that
are in focus. Chasing Amy in particular has a few scenes that are
composed of out of focus takes.
That is pedantic isn't it. I wish I wasn't so superficial.
No I don't.
Talking to myself. Carry on....
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King Mob
Initiate |
posted November 21, 1999 10:33 PM
he did thank grant morrison in the credits to dogma (giving credit
where credits due), but i don't think such a catholic guy could be
invisible. drug use+swearing+very funny doesn't nessesarily spell
INVISIBLE.
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