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Topic: JLA |
Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 12:19 AM
  
No one seems to want to talk about it, but I tell you what, I
actually read Rock of Ages before I got into invis, and when Kyle
and Wally and them returned to earth, and there was a giant fire pit
in the middle of China, man, that stunned me. That was the first
time a comc book ever did that. Since then, well, let's just say I'm
in a constant state of Grantological flux.
Anyway, I think the dialogue at the end of issue 17 (which I had
to reread, given the current, explosive WWIII arc...) says it all:
"I've become obsessed with COLLECTING things. I've got to be in
charge of the trophy room; it's the only way to stop my own
apartment from filling with trash." "Who's this? 'I love this place.
I love these people.' 'Everyday is Doomsday." "Okay, it's him
exactly. But after today, I'm officially PLASTIC MAN's best friend
in the whole world. We've joined a very interesting group, Zauriel.
I'm looking forward to saving the earth on a daily basis." "Ladies
and Gentlemen." "Is there anyone left who ISN'T a member of the JLA,
Superman? forget it."
It really makes you think. And how 'bout the way Martian
Manhunter was always saying "We are the Justice League, and WE WILL
NOT DO WHAT WE ARE TOLD!" And then he'd hit something really hard.
Good times.
[This message has been edited by Zephir (edited November 05,
1999).]
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Liquid
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 12:30 AM
I totally agree. JLA is one of the best superhero books out there
(along with, in no order at all, Starman, Supergirl, Planetary,
Authority, and Hourman). I'mgonna be sad to see Gratn leave this
title, but it looks like he's gonna be leaving it with a bang 
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 02:17 AM
Just got a flyer today for the exquisitely-drawn JLA:Earth2 hardback
due out next month. I have no particular love for any of these
characters but I've read it because Grant wrote it and I'm
practically drooling over Earth2...
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 04:03 AM
Don't you think Frank Quitely's Superman looks an awful lot like
Morrisey on steroids?
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 09:24 AM
What a lovely thought!
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 09:26 PM
Man, a hardcover... How much is that gonna cost? My friend said
something like $60 if we're lucky. I mean, I'll have to get it, you
know? Shit, Britan's Top Comic Team! remember?
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 10:21 PM
Sell a kidney. Or something.
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Sandfarmer
Operative |
posted November 06, 1999 03:22 PM
Barter. Every comic shop weirdo needs something.
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IŅaki
Initiate |
posted November 06, 1999 04:33 PM
DC is gonna release it also on softcover, but you will have to wait
until June
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 06, 1999 11:54 PM
Oh, I'll buy it, I just want to gripe about it a little.
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panacynic
Initiate |
posted November 09, 1999 11:47 PM
I just hope it's wipe-clean
Oh, and Jackie, he does, and Ultraman looks like Bobby DeNiro, to
my eyes anyway
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PornoHolocaust
Operative |
posted November 11, 1999 04:18 PM
Amazon lists it for $17.47.
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dr
a.s.k.
Initiate |
posted November 12, 1999 11:43 PM
That preview for Earth2 blew me away. I don't know why exactly,
something about the way it read exactly like a movie trailer. I
dunno, I went on about it to everyone I knew. Something about its
design/media-mimesis makes me feel like it's just this little
perfect pop culture artifact. And that's not even counting my
anticipation for he actual book.
Fan? Fetishist? Fool?
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 15, 1999 12:42 AM
I just read over the Rock of Ages tpb the other day, and I realized
something that completely polarized and redefined the way I look at
everything. Well, maybe not everything. Anyway,
The future Green Lantern, Aquaman and the Flash go to, fifteen
years from 1997, is 2012. The universe becoems unmade and remade,
there is betrayal, irony, time travel, insanity, trippy sound
effects and really neat stuff. And I fucking love the explosions.
I'm just saying, is all. It's holographic, this stuff.
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Vortex Nine
Operative |
posted November 16, 1999 03:59 PM
You kill me, Jackie, heheheheeh........
Just because you may be
right. Let's wait for the sofcover if we have to, folks. I guess the
hardcover will be U$24,00; so I've heard.
To me Grant's JLA is libertarian, not to say Anarchist. Although
they have leadership and help the world on every issue, it hasa lot
of similarities to the Invisbles. Remember the first arc, at the end
when Superman and the others arrive at the Sahara desert and says
Humanity has to do its evolution by itself. All they have to do is
stay behind if it falls? Man, that was great.
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 16, 1999 10:34 PM
What I wonder is, what happened to those 70 martians? Wait... were
they in those sandman issues? Damn, my memory is crap today...
But I did notice one thing, at the end of Rock of Ages, Lex
Luthor says, right as he's becomming invisible, "Batman, you made a
big mistake." Now, I went over and over it in my head what he meant
about that, and there's a scene where he's lunging for the
philosopher's stone, and Batman stops him and says something like
"you're fingerprints were all over this from the start, luthor" or
something, and did maybe Lex ficure it out that Batman was Bruce
Wayne? The only billionaire business tycoon that was sharper than
him? I don't know... it probably meant something, as even the
martian mother ship from New World Order is popping up in the
current story...
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted November 16, 1999 11:48 PM
One of the martians was in the recent fill-in issues by (I think)
Mark Waid. They'd turned him into Bruce Wayne so Batman could keep
an eye on him but he went native and the JLA had to go get him.
Incidentally, what was the big bad thing that happened in Gotham
City?
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Vortex Nine
Operative |
posted November 17, 1999 03:07 AM
Maybe Luthor thought Batman defeated him and was jst trying to
threat Batman. Maybe he knew what the future would be. Or something
else...
The big bad event, Jackie, was the earthquake at Gotham, wasn't
it?
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 06:32 AM
I don't know, somebody mentioned something about Gotham being
annexed or something, can anyone explain what I'm talking
about?
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 18, 1999 06:38 AM
The big bad thing that happened to Gotham was first the earthquake,
or catyclysm that you might've seen linking all the batbooks there
for a while, basically, the town went down, Arkham busted loose, the
nation gave up on the city ceating... no man's land, a post
apocalyptic nightmare wasteland right in our back yard. The police
pulled out, the government pulled out, anyone with any sense
whatsoever up and left, leaving plenty of idiots behind. The gangs
and punks and even batman then went all Lord of the Flies or
something, I don't really know exactly... And yes! That was where
I'd seen a martian, in that silly Mark Waid issue. Thanks!
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Liquid
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 06:44 AM
Luthor said that to Batman because he knew Batman had been the
astermind behind his downfall. He got green arrow and plastic man to
infiltrate the injustice gang, got mirror master to change sides,
all that stuff. So naturally Luthor didn't like that, which can help
explain some of his current actions in Gotham city.
What I want to know about Rock of ages is this: why, why, why
were there two Robin memorials in the batcave? In the scene where
Batman is going off on how he's was gonna do a hostile takeover of
the injustice gang. there were TWO robin costumes hanging up in that
shot. Why? Somebody tell me! It's been plagueing me forever!
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 07:24 AM
Well, the thing that bugs me about the Rock of Ages story is why did
bad Metron bother sending them off on that weird time-quest thing?
If he'd just butted out Superman would have happily destroyed the, I
forget it's name, magic mirror thing, and they could have conquered
earth just fine.
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Johnny7
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 05:22 PM
Re the two Robin memorials, I figured one was for the dead one
(obviously), and the other was for the retired one (Grayson).
Then again, I haven't read Batman in years...
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Liquid
Operative |
posted November 18, 1999 10:06 PM
No, there was never a costume/memorial thing for the retired Robin.
There's always only one costume, Jason Todd's. That one page with
the two costumes was a supreme mind fuck for me. I can't wait until
Grant shows up here so I can ask him.
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 19, 1999 05:49 AM
Yeah, but the way he (luthor) said it, it just seemed like... well,
I mean, you made a big mistake, batman... if luthor knew batman was
behind his downfall, he might be able to figure out Batman was
Bruce, is all I'm saying. Luthor was on the cover of a batbook
today, but I don't read that stuff either. I assumed the double
robin thing was for Grayson, too. But yeah, I don't know about no
Batman, just Grant stuff. In the Batman Beyond cartoon, Bruce has
the outfits of Robin, Nightwing, and batgirl up there. Batgirl's
still alive, Jason never existed, but... well... it doesn't HAVE to
be a memorial. I'm sure it wasn't important, anyway.
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King Mob
Operative |
posted November 20, 1999 12:03 AM
i'm never subscribing to a comic again.
a)i'm still getting
shitty aquaman comics.
but more importantly
b)I STILL HAVEN'T
GOTTEN WWW3 PART ONE YET!
arg! kaplowee!, buy it'll suck when
waid takes over. and now grant's going to maRvel?
will PROMETHEUS
live? he is the coolest villian, sucked that catwoman could beat him
so easy though...
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Vortex Nine
Operative |
posted November 20, 1999 05:02 AM
The best choice for cool psychedelic stories and action in JLA is
Peter Milligan. He has had bad luck with his last works. Nobody
realy caring for him, but he's already proven his value years ago.
He did a fine job with what Grant left him on Animal Man. He's
the man for JLA. Remember his Batman stories? Groovy....
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 21, 1999 01:42 AM
I laughed and laughed and laughed when I saw it, DC put out a three
issue "Total Justice" series to accompany the really lame
"cyberpunk" total justice toy line, which was just the JLA with
neato armor, but it was written by Cristopher Priest, who is an
excellent team dynamic guy. I'm not sure when it came out, but
they're prbably cheap, and worth a read if you want to see the
characters done, well, justice. Waid can't pull off Morrison-esque
shit, he's prooven that already. I agree Miligan would work, or Mark
Millar could pull it off, but after total justice, my hat's off to
Priest.
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Johnny not-on-the-spot
Operative |
posted November 21, 1999 01:29 PM
What I like about Rock of Ages is that is tackled the subject of
what would happen if two 'supervillains' launched their attacks on
the free world at the same time. Usually they take it in turns,
politely waiting for each other to have a go.
I also like the
Holy Grail analogies. The third issue is a brilliant example of how
superheroes can be thrown into a situation they don't understand. It
always seems that lazy writers have heroes come up with on the ball
explanations anytime something bizarre happens. I want confusion and
panic!
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 23, 1999 03:04 AM
The current Justice League have one thing against them, hubris. I
mean, they're based on the gods, they never loose, hell, that was
the Key's whole point... But the JLA always pull through, and Grant
never lets us forget it. I like that the gods are falling, right
now, I like the way he's having that same multi-layerd offensive
technique used in Rock Of Ages (Wreckage!), I like the way
everything seems to be coalescing into some kind of well, magic
mirror goop.
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matsya
Operative |
posted November 24, 1999 12:07 AM
I'll tell you what's funny - the TOTAL JUSTICE CD!
It's got all these stories about superheroes teaming up to fight
Darksied (or Despero, or something) and it's like full radio play
stuff with excellent Marvel Comics-esque dialogue, except it kind of
makes sense in a radio play - Darkseid saying "I'll unleash the
power of my OMNI BEAMS!!!" with a wiggy little zeezeezeezeezee sound
effect in the background. So cool. So funny.
The kicker is that they've kind of tried to make it all "cool"
and stuff and integrate pop and techno music into the stories as
well, with the story sort of starting with a kind of theme song
about the superheroes and then segueing into the story, then back to
the theme after Darkseid is defeated. Priceless. DC Online had some
MP3 samples there for a while, and I had a computer with an MP3
player for a while, I got a bit addicted.
It was like a 90s version of the JLA record I had when I was
little - Metamorpho and Plastic Man had their own theme songs (kind
of in the vein of the SPiderman cartoon theme), as did the Justice
League. I tried so hard to get my friends' ska band to do a cover of
the JLA song, but they wouldn't bite...
"Hey here they come,
Just look out chum,
it's the Justice
League
(the Justice League)
Superheroes all,
always on the
ball,
it's the Justice Leage
(the Justice League)
And
there's Biiig trouble with a capital B,
A super-colossal
calamity
On Earth or in space, on land or sea,
and when they
put on a show
everywhere the four winds blow,
when they get
that call,
watch them all,
they're the Justice League
(the
justice league)
yeah, the justice league
(the justice
leauge)
oh, the justice league..."
(repeat 'til fade)
DAMN that's a cool record. If anyone has a copy, or even vaguely
knows what I'm on about, please let me know how much you want to
part with it. Mine is all scratched and fucked up from being six and
not really knowing how to use a record player.
m.
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dr
a.s.k.
Initiate |
posted November 27, 1999 11:42 PM
thanks, I now have proof for my friends that I didn't hallucinate
that record. Alas, my old copy has been lost in the timestream.
That metamorpho tune was heavy.
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Jack Fear
Myrmidon |
posted November 28, 1999 12:10 AM
"Bow down! Booowwww dowwwn before Fumo the Fire Giant!"
Fuckin'-A. I dug that Metamorpho story, too, though my favorite
was the Flash playlet--"The Three Faces of Mr. Big."
The priceless moment on that record, though, came in the bridge
of the Justice League theme song: "Call the roll, call the roll,
call the roll..." And they run down the list of like a dozen
superheroes, and it's so obvious (even to a six-year-old) that it's
the same two guys answering for everybody--in a truly embarrassing
falsetto for Wonder Woman, too.
But it occurs to me now that Metamorpho sounded oddly like Frank
Sinatra on that record--although my copy, too, is lost and gone
forever.
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Jack Fear
Myrmidon |
posted November 28, 1999 03:36 AM
And I hereby swear before God that if I ever get a gig writing JLA,
I will find a way to sneak the phrase "Big trouble with a
capital B for any souped-up super-enemy" into each and every issue
of my run!
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matsya
Operative |
posted November 29, 1999 12:18 AM
I still can't help leaping into dialogue from the plastic man story
when people say "Like so". I think it was the first time I'd ever
heard the phrase, or something... a typical example:
Friend: You just enter the following code, like so.
Me:
GOTCHA, You Phony! May-day, May-day, Doctor Steel! Doctor Steel,
Doctor Steel, May-day!
Friend: uh...
I do have a copy of the record at home, plus a seven-inch version
that has the aquaman and flash stories on it. My comic shop has one
for sale - want me to see how much it is, jack? I can also dub a
scratchy version of the record onto tape for anyone who wants it.
Hopefully all our psychic energies directed toward pleasing
nostalgia, plus the way the universe tends to work, will result in a
copy of this record turning up soon.
m.
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matsya
Operative |
posted November 29, 1999 12:23 AM
don't fuck with me.
Right after posting that last one I went to eBay and typed
justice league record into the search engine and guess what turned
up.
Don't you dare outbid me guys. I can die happy if I get this
record.
m.
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grant
Operative |
posted November 29, 1999 07:34 PM
You DO have a tape recorder, no?
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matsya
Operative |
posted November 29, 1999 09:43 PM
I have a tape deck, yes. I will disseminate this record across the
world. I am the evangelist of shite radioplays from the seventies.
send me your addresses kids, or wait a week and see if I win the
less scratchy copy.
m.
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Jackie Susann
Operative |
posted December 02, 1999 01:32 AM
Can anybody tell me what the weird brown stuff around Luther's head
is in the new JLA, and what Oracle did to Prometheus's helmet? I
can't work it out.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Operative |
posted December 02, 1999 05:03 AM
I'm assuming Luther is growing the same bulbous headwear we see
Hammond the telepath sporting so fetchingly in issue 34.
I think the Oracle thing was just a plot device to get Prometheus
back onto the Watchtower.
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