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Gentleman Assassin
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posted December 05, 1999 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gentleman Assassin     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.dallascursefreetv.com/

Twig the Wonder Kid
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posted December 05, 1999 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twig the Wonder Kid   Click Here to Email Twig the Wonder Kid     Edit/Delete Message
Fuck that for a bunch of soldiers

Citizen Smith
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posted December 05, 1999 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
Wouldn't sign up for that steaming pile of piss-bollocking shite if it was the only fucking way to watch cunting telly ever a-knob-sucking-gain.

70sman
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posted December 06, 1999 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
... as Lord Byron wittily remarked over breakfast.

Naraoia
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posted December 07, 1999 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
I just sent their sales staff the following email:

What a lovely idea! Now I won't have to put up with all that annoying and value-threatening content that plagued my life
before. Is there any way, however, that you could build a set that would automatically cover any offensive visual content
with, say, a large blue dot? Perhaps it could print a bible verse over any nudity, or replace any violent content with images
of our Lord giving a blessing. How wonderful if we could live in a world where, every time one of those horrible
policemen on the television goes to shoot someone we could see, instead, the smiling face of our Lord. Think of all the
souls that could be saved. Is there any chance of doing the same for violent and or sexually explicit computer games? My
young son is very interested in playing Doom, which worries me. Perhaps if he would have to look into Jesus' eyes
every time he pulled the trigger he would think twice about taking guns to school!

Hopefully someone there will be bright enough to get the point.

PornoHolocaust
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posted December 07, 1999 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PornoHolocaust   Click Here to Email PornoHolocaust     Edit/Delete Message
Is "Dallas Curse" like herpes? And why is it that when I go into the "cool sites" section I get a message from gawd? Where are the links? Like gawd has anything new to say.

Geist
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posted December 07, 1999 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geist   Click Here to Email Geist     Edit/Delete Message
I'd like to see their balance.
Sure, those fuckers are earning a lot with that, or don't they?
Is there still hope??? Har,Har
I think I'm gonna visit them again

Mystery Gypt
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posted December 08, 1999 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystery Gypt   Click Here to Email Mystery Gypt     Edit/Delete Message
I told them i needed them to email me a list of exactly all the words that they filter out before i by several of them. heh. hope they enjoy typing that out for me.

and i put my name down as jesse custer, from Lord's Light LLC.

70sman
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posted December 08, 1999 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
My god , that sucks.
Shall we send them obscene anticensorship emails from now till eternity?

grant
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posted December 08, 1999 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Hell, i think it's great.
The more they censor themselves, the less somebody else has to do it.

Fascinating technology too.

I wonder if it could be applied in some other, more artistic way...

Mystery Gypt
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posted December 08, 1999 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystery Gypt   Click Here to Email Mystery Gypt     Edit/Delete Message
they replied saying they it wsa too embarrassing to list the words, but that they filters out over 100 words "from the f word on down."

i wonder if that includes "communist"

Citizen Smith
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posted December 08, 1999 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
100 swearwords?!? Fantastic. Now there's a drinking game for a Friday night. So, how many do YOU know?

Naraoia
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posted December 08, 1999 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Mr. Naraoia,

Wouldn't it be a better world if they would end all the violence and
sexuality on TV? I don't think that will happen though unless this country
experiences a massive revival. The way CFTV works is that it reads the
close-captioned signal that is embedded in the signal of TV shows and movie
rentals. When a curse word is detected, it automatically mutes the volume
and substitutes a profanity free phrase. We would like to have the
opportunity to edit out violence and sexuality, but Hollywood would have to
embed a signal for our device to pick up and edit at the appropriate time.
It may take a while to convince them to do that however. Until then, I
recommend you be careful of rated PG-13 and R movies that tend to cater to
these types of activities. If we can be of further help, please don't
hesitate to contact us via email or call 504-347-8766. Thank you and may
God bless your family richly.

Fritz J. Brown
CFTV

I dunno... do you think Fritz realizes what we're trying to do yet? Maybe we need to kick it up a notch...

And as for whether we need to keep sending them anti-censorship emails... why not? They've chosen to make a public issue out of this by selling their boxes. If someone came on the Nexus and suggested this device was a good idea, wouldn't we argue with them? I enjoy my little detournment better than getting in a screaming match with born-again Xians, but if I thought that would make a difference I'd do that, too.

Citizen Smith
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posted December 08, 1999 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
Surely this is a piss-take.

Johnny7
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posted December 08, 1999 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny7   Click Here to Email Johnny7     Edit/Delete Message
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't have a problem with what these people are doing. They are presenting people with a CHOICE. They are not forcing their product down your throats, or attempting to legislate it into common use (a la the V-Chip). They aren't telling me what I can or cannot watch. This is censorship on the level of a SurfWatch or Net Nanny filter.

(That being said, I do have a problem with the fact they're profiting off of people's stupidity -- it's much cheaper to turn off the television than it is to buy one of these bloody filters.)

Ganesha
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posted December 08, 1999 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
I can't believe they're actually using the classic Clark Gable line to SELL people the concept as a 'good thing'; I'd have thought you could hardly get a more in-context 'curse' than that innocent little 'damn'.

Jack Fear
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posted December 08, 1999 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Fear   Click Here to Email Jack Fear     Edit/Delete Message
Have you ever watched "Gone With the Wind"? Christ,it's got alcoholism, rape, miscegenation, marriages of convenience, abortion... Admittedly, all of these themes are implicit, handled by dialogue that dances around what it's really saying. But it's still just a horrible, headfucking movie, by today's PC standards.

And the worst thing these yahoos have to say about it is that Clark Gable uses the D-word? Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Ganesha
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posted December 08, 1999 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, it's possibly my favourite film ever - but only because I secretly want to go visiting men in prison wearing a dress I made from my own curtains...

Naraoia
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posted December 09, 1999 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
Johnny7: I agree with you about giving people choices. I also want to mess with this guy's head. Why? Because I think in the long run he's serving the interests of those who want to take choices away. Yeah, okay, filtering out curse words is a pretty tame attack on freedom but if you listen to this guy closely enough you find out what he really wants: a state religion (revealed Christianity), a world without violent or sexual content, kids raised on a diet of inoffensive, Christ-centered fluff, and so on. Will he get it? It's doubtful--but only because people like us won't let it happen. I don't want to tell him he can't sell his boxes--I just want him to think about where he's actually headed. If he does and still holds to his vision, well, more power to him. If he's never confronted by the real world, however, he and his Radical Right buddies will think we're all on their side.

BTW, when I saw the mutilated GWTW quote I thought it had to be a joke, too--but if so it's a pretty involved one and so I, for one, don't mind going along for the ride.

Ganesha
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posted December 09, 1999 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Has the war started already?

Fairweather Nihilist
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posted December 09, 1999 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fairweather Nihilist     Edit/Delete Message
i'm going to market my own version, which is designed so that words such as 'christian', 'caring', 'family' and 'children' are replaced with words like 'cluster-fuck' and 'fascists'
also, all bland programmes like songs of praise and blind date will by footage of frontal lobotomies.

70sman
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posted December 10, 1999 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
What a VERY cool name.
And a VERY cool idea. Send one to my house posthaste , Fairweather Nihilist!

grant
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posted December 10, 1999 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
I still gotta stand up for these people.
First, they're doing it for themselves and no one else. God bless 'em. In the end, everyone gets what they want.

Second, it seems like it'd be easy to replace dirty words with other words... just like Robert Anton Wilson did in Schrodinger's Cat. As in, let me put my Rehnquist between your Abzug cheeks.
See the potential?

Naraoia
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posted December 10, 1999 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
Grant: can't remember the details, but i seem to remember some AIDS activists doing just that a couple years back. Still, I love the idea Fairweather Nihilist came up with--very Invisible TV.

Twig the Wonder Kid
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posted December 11, 1999 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twig the Wonder Kid   Click Here to Email Twig the Wonder Kid     Edit/Delete Message
By censoring certain words they are being granted greater power. 'Swear' words are not in themselves intrinsically offensive, they are only offensive to those who allow themselves to be offended by them. By being offended these words are given power, and by giving them power their usage tends to increase.

Take for example the word 'fuck'. It cannot be seen as offensive in itself as it is only four letters inoffensive in their own right. It cannot be seen as offensive in what it signifies because other words signify the same thing - 'shag', screw' etc.. and are perfectly acceptable in polite conversation. (although the perversity of making the sexual act in any way taboo within a society is another matter). The only reason it is offensive is because of its power to offend.

By censoring the word 'fuck' its power increases. By increasing its power its usage increases. Everyone in communication tries, when making a point, to infuse their sentences with power. This can be done through inventive use of language, be it structure, neologisms or poetry. Those without the language skills can add a cheap punch to an arguement by adding a word that carries the power to offend, such as 'fuck'.

They are just escalating what they want to eradicate.

Dumb fucks.

it
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posted December 11, 1999 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for it   Click Here to Email it     Edit/Delete Message
I'd like one that blocked out the adverts. Now there's offensive for you.

New vcrs have the ability to do that on playback. And they're going to be DIRT CHEAP when dvd gets the big big push.

Citizen Smith
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posted December 11, 1999 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with King Mob in vol 3 issue 12 - the adverts are the only things worth watching on telly at the moment.
At least, I think that's what he said, without going back to check.

Naraoia
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posted December 11, 1999 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
As a former communication student, I can tell you that they spend more making a thirty-second ad then they do a twenty-one minute sitcom. They take longer to make, too. I had an art teacher once who said that advertisements were the last viable art form. Don't know if I totally agree, but I think she was on to something. Ads play with you in a way programs never dare. Watch them and you're watching the cultural soul... especially in these days when we not only advertise ourselves, but sell our internal lives as well.

Citizen Smith
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posted December 12, 1999 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
How do Do It All do it? What THEY do it for, won't somebody tell? As long as THEY do it, like Do It All Do It, don't you know, I'll be doing it as well.
I rest my case.

Naraoia
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posted December 12, 1999 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraoia   Click Here to Email Naraoia     Edit/Delete Message
My current favorite ad is for Subway--an otherwise totally forgettable Y2K thing except for the last image, which is a parody of the last supper with Bugs Bunny in the Christ position. They got away with it! This is Invisible television!

Oh, and did anyone else notice that Cadillacs now come with infrared? How long before they come armor-plated, too?

Fairweather Nihilist
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posted December 12, 1999 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fairweather Nihilist     Edit/Delete Message
What about just not mentioning certain ****s?
By omitting some perfectly ****** ****s, we can make **** seem taboo. then we **** a whole new *** ** ***** ** **** ****.
(Non censored version available on request.)

Ganesha
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posted December 13, 1999 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Or, like the FISHing Channel 4 chatroom, we could add a SAVIOUR of a swearing filter which stops any old FISHing SWEETIE from PLAYing his LOLLIPOP to exhaustion by substituting innocuous CHAMOISes of words for the real ones. You can also make up your own CAPTAINBIRDSEYEs and really FISH with people's GOPHERs.

Loz
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posted December 15, 1999 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loz   Click Here to Email Loz     Edit/Delete Message
As Lenny Bruce said, "If you can't say fuck, you can't say fuck the Government!" (Not strictly relevent but it had to be said...)

Invisible_al
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posted December 23, 1999 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Invisible_al   Click Here to Email Invisible_al     Edit/Delete Message
Well it's this whole language thing again isn't it. It's words we invented that we now consider shouldn't be said. It's bizarre.
I mean if you were to shout the word Cunt very loudly in Tibet the chances of anyone finding it obscene would be minimal. Well amoung people who can't speak english.
Swearwords were invented by people so they could use them.
I think my point is why censor, people will just come up with better ways to express themselves.
I'll just finish with Dave Sim, of Cerbus fame's reaction to censorship.
"cunty cunt cunt cunty cunty cunt cunt cunty cunt cunt." The Bug

Broad Arrow Jack
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posted December 23, 1999 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Broad Arrow Jack   Click Here to Email Broad Arrow Jack     Edit/Delete Message
I came in on this a bit late, but MY letter ran as follows:

How relieved I am to see that someone is trying to shield me and my beloved family from the horrors of the outside world. Now, at long last, I can be sure that my precious children will never have their tender pink eardrums viciously raped by the marauding syllables of the Devil's vocabulary. But why stop at mere words? For too long my Christian household has been invaded by degrading images of sickening filth. I certainly don't want to expose my children to anything that could inspire them to think or form ideas in their brains, as it would be far too difficult to sit down and discuss anything with them, since my own value system is based entirely on specious dogma. I would far rather that I could safely steer them through a filtered reality composed of religious propaganda, so that they can develop into another homogeneous servant of Jesus that can carry on your noble work to eradicate anything that doesn't conform to our belief system. God bless.

It's a bit much, but I can't wait for the reply.

Ganesha
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posted December 23, 1999 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
I suspect they'll weigh up your letter and decide, on balance, that it's encouraging...

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