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Johnny7
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posted October 04, 1999 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny7   Click Here to Email Johnny7     Edit/Delete Message
Somewhere in the last few months, I lost that which made me unique. The problems of daily life and routine succeeded in dragging me down from where I had been, and I became just another drone, punching a timeclock every morning, Monday to Friday. I hated my job, I stopped going to the gym, stopped caring about myself. I became another blank, brutalized face in front of the television.

I became Visible.

I used to care about Reality. I used to think I had it all understoodÖ so what happened? What caused me to stop caring? Why did I give up? It was probably the result of a number of factors, all of them horribly mundane. It was the mundane that finally dragged me back down. Despite the efforts of my (very recently ex-) girlfriend, I allowed my cultural conditioning to take over. Five years of fighting my conditioning, and being fairly damned successful at it (I thought), and in the space of six months everything changed back and I was once again the spotty little 18 year-old, too scared of the world to attempt to live in it.

And now it has cost me the only thing I ever truly cared about. More than that, it has cost me my Self.

I need to feel like I once did, when I thought I had understood something fundamental about the universe. I need to stop playing by the rules of our culture, and go back to defining My Reality on My Terms. I had forgotten that that was what I had truly believed ñ that we are all God, and we are in control of our ultimate destiny ñ there is no skeleton-faced hooded guy with a pair of dice playing Games With Fate. I believe that in some form or another, I control everything that happens to me, everything that affects me. Everything.

Chaos theory, baby.

ìAs above, so below.î

ìItís like when Jacqui walked out. Like when my cats died.î INVISIBLES continues to serve as my personal Bible (I say without a trace of sarcasm and/or irony). I agree that there is a chance that I could be projecting my life onto the comic, in the same sense as a Rorschach blot, seeing what I want to see. But I canít accept that ñ thereís only so much weirdshit coincidence you can have in your life before you step back and ask yourself ëwhat the hell is going on?í

To my Personal Jacqui, thank you. Your departure was the shock I needed to jar me out of this culturally-imposed Routine that I embraced all too willingly. Now that I realize what had happened to me, I can get back to being who I once was ñ someone that is trying to understand the nature of Reality, and how best to deal with it, to make it work for me.

I will be Invisible again.

grant
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posted October 04, 1999 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
I hear you.

Does this make you a quadruple sleeper agent?
(Back and forth, back and forth...)
-- gab

Ganesha
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posted October 04, 1999 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
'Course, in MY day, we used to paint our bedrooms black and lie there in the darkness listening to 'Every Day Is Like Sunday'.

Tom
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posted October 05, 1999 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message
THe line about the Invisibles becoming your own personal bible really strikes a chord with me, while simultaneously smacking of uber-sad-ness.

It's a funny one really. If someone said to me that I would find my head full of postmodern, counter-cultural stuff from reading The Invisibles, and that it would have such an impact on my life, well frankly I would have laughed at them.

But somehow it is true. None of the characters have had as much that I could react to as viscerally ("cool!") as Crazy Jane, Rebis or Buddy, and yet I find the combinations of ideas so fascinating. Oh I don't know.

I am going to write a post in a bit about how running one of these boards is odd for the head and how responsibility deforms the minds ability to wander creatively. This is probably not the time or the place...

70sman
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posted October 05, 1999 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
Ganesha: I still do! maybe theres something profoundly wrong with me...nah.

Vortex Nine
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posted October 18, 1999 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vortex Nine   Click Here to Email Vortex Nine     Edit/Delete Message
I've been having the same problem right now, as some of you guys have already seen in other post.
Since I started reading The Invisibles on Saturdays nights before going out I felt some strange rush, the feeling I could do something. It 'clicked' so much to me. I felt so much like Dane and so many veils were being opened.
Not even Shade and Sandman had to do with me, 'talked' to me as Invisibles did. But I was 19 and then responsabilities came.
I've learned about Chaos Magick, had some good results but didn't want to 'unlock' myself with it. Didn't have the guts to do it yet. Guess I'll have to make my ritual to lose that fear either...
'Invisibility' as we talk about here has come to me bit by bit, as I can and that's not what it should be. We should unlock ourselves from our fears in all possible areas in our lie. I can do some stuff, politically speaking, to help this motherf*cker country to get free of the people who still vampirize it. I want to help fix the world but have to fix myself first. I can't live from art as I wanted in Brasil so I can't feel as free as I needed.
So in order to survive we have to become slaves for a period of time. We have to 'sell our time' as Burroughs said in 'Naked Lunch'. What realy bugs me is that socially the maojority of the world's population is enslaved, even the ones who consider themselves free because they can pay their bills...
Well I kinda diverged from the topic, but to make it short: all we have to do is have *courage*. Man, these days it is not easy....

iao adonai
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posted October 18, 1999 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iao adonai   Click Here to Email iao adonai     Edit/Delete Message
When has it ever been easy to practice courage in the face of despair? Never the less, practice as much courage as you can muster, Johnny 7. Let your pain be your familiar. That, and your courage, will guide you along your way.
May clarity attend you,
-IA

Johnny7
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posted October 18, 1999 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny7   Click Here to Email Johnny7     Edit/Delete Message
It's been about two weeks since I started this thread, a good time to see if I meant what I said, or if I was just deluding myself...

Vortex Nine, your fears echo mine. I don't want to be a slave of society, but some whoring has to be done in order to survive. There's no avoiding it -- and there's no reason to. The true meaning of subversion is to affect change without anyone realizing that you're doing it... the guy in a three-piece suit with a briefcase in one hand and a lit Molotov in the other. I guess I can say that I don't sell my time, but I'm perfectly willing to rent it. :-)

Courage is the key. I have gone through a monumental change in outlook in the past two weeks, and others have noticed. I'm starting to wonder if my "Personal Jacqui" wants to reconcile now that I'm again the same guy she originally fell in love with. But is that all I wanted to gain? If she and I get back together, does this mean I fall back into the drone pattern?

Not a chance.

I'm Invisible again, and I'm not leaving... I finally feel like I'm in control of my own personal Universe, and I like that feeling. I'm not giving it up. Not again.

Iao: Pain sucks. I don't like it at all. But I'm not going to run from it, not anymore.

iao adonai
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posted October 20, 1999 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iao adonai   Click Here to Email iao adonai     Edit/Delete Message
you'll get what you need, my friend. and, after a time, you will feel the better of it.

[This message has been edited by iao adonai (edited October 20, 1999).]

Vortex Nine
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posted October 20, 1999 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vortex Nine   Click Here to Email Vortex Nine     Edit/Delete Message
It was really nice to share it with you, man. It is always great when we get to find echo of our sorrow and get to make a way out of it. I loved the image of the three-piece suit guy with a molotov on one hand and a briefcase on the other.

I thought, and this is for you and iao adonai, that burning the locks that avoid us from fully breathing the life inside our body (and soul) was a somehow a fast and exploding process. Either was it via Reichian therapy or Chaos Magick or by being an average better person and a more courageous one.

But that takes time, the time we want it to take, the time our guilt, shame and fear make longer in order to postpone (delay) the full disclosure of a 'refreshed' self. You know, It is like what Grant said about the Fantagraphics grimmy artists, sometimes I just want to say to myself (and I do): 'get up, stop moaning and do what you want with your life; live with it, pal'

In fact one friend or another have already told me that =). But, you know, as things are when 'we can't find the time' (or don't want to?), isn't it?

Sometimes I just want to jump from a tall building to see if I have the balls to do it. Of course I'm kidding....

As for the girl, I don't know, what if you tried, without pushing too hard, to let her know your true you, the Invisible one? Maybe she's one too, maybe she likes it better. at least it would be sincere from you. sorry if said something that had nothing to do with it.

Ganesha
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posted October 20, 1999 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Ever-ee day is like Sun-daaay...every day is siil-ent and greeey...

Morrissey's all well and good but at some point you have to change the disc.

Boy Electric
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posted October 20, 1999 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boy Electric   Click Here to Email Boy Electric     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, it was Morrissey for while there. But as my drunken friend Golda said after a night of depressing self-analysis and a bottle of 100 proof Honey liquor... "At least your not a kid, hooked on crack... in the ghetto."

grant
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posted October 20, 1999 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
about this fear business --

i was browsing elsewhere on the bomb and ran into the section on (dare I bring up the title?) the matrix.

the essay on gnosticism and shamanism and the matrix was pretty good, i thought. i didn't buy all of the arguments (and it never quite addresses the fact that gnosticism and shamanism are really quite different traditions), but there's some good stuff about the acceptance of fear as being the key moment in initiation (which never ends, after all).
there's also some interesting stuff about necessary lies, comparing the oracle in the matrix to don juan in carlos castaneda's books.
worth checking out, even if you find the movie loathsome.

Vortex Nine
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posted October 21, 1999 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vortex Nine   Click Here to Email Vortex Nine     Edit/Delete Message
Damn right you are, Grant and Ganesha. At least we can earn an interne connection, isn't it?

Man, this Smiths song was great when we needed it. Imagine reading 'Saint Swithin's Day" while listening to it. A suicide for sure...

By the way, forgetting the joke about suicide
for the ones interested, I got "Everyday is like Sunday" on Mp3. I can post the url to grab it if ya want. Will check the Matrix article later, thanks.

Ganesha
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posted October 21, 1999 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Mmm, yes, Mozza and The Smiths were there throughout the long dark teatime of the soul that was adolescence. My point was, there comes a time to stop listening and decide to change the record.

Jack Fear
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posted October 21, 1999 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Fear   Click Here to Email Jack Fear     Edit/Delete Message
"Being clever is all well and good, but sometimes a boy needs to go out and meet girls."

--Flex Mentallo

Ganesha
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posted October 21, 1999 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely. Or boys. Or trannies.

Loz
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posted October 21, 1999 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loz   Click Here to Email Loz     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes all at once, but we can't all be Brian Molko...

Boy Electric
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posted October 22, 1999 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boy Electric   Click Here to Email Boy Electric     Edit/Delete Message
But we can all imagine what it would be like....

grant
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posted October 22, 1999 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
>Man, this Smiths song was great when we needed it. Imagine reading 'Saint Swithin's Day" while listening to it. A suicide for sure... <

You know, I've been obsessing on that song for about six weeks now, ever since my live-in galpal (as the folks at work referred to her) moved to Texas for her corporate job and left my sorry ass to move to metropolitan Lake Worth, Florida.

Dubstar does a sweet little electro-twee version of it.

Ganesha
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posted October 22, 1999 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, I really liked Dubstar's version!

'If the man you've grown to be's more Morrison than Morrissey...'

grant
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posted October 23, 1999 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Mmmm. So do I.

I kinda like "stars" better, because the way they sing it, it's even more melancholy.

Loz
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posted October 24, 1999 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loz   Click Here to Email Loz     Edit/Delete Message
And as the topic veers off into music, my favourite Dubstar lines are;

It's the same old thing, I've said it from the start, living together is something you do, and married is something you are.

And;

I will be your namesake, I will be your headache, I will be your wits end, I will be your girlfriend.

Don't know why, but there's something in the sentiments that appeals to me.

Ganesha
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posted October 24, 1999 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Well, my favourite's the aforementioned Morrison/Morrissey line from 'The Day I See You Again' but I also like the cumbersome 'Because I've been up here for a while I am starting to feel the monotony of the tower-block' from the wonderful 'Not So Manic Now'.

I saw them live at T in the Park, three or four years ago now. Ah, memories...

grant
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posted October 25, 1999 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
I'd never even heard of them until I found a reference while surfing a Billy Bragg fan site at work.

I got curious, and... chalk one convert up to CDNow's audio samples.

What is it about simple pop tunes that makes them seem so important?

Ganesha
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posted October 25, 1999 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
'The potency of cheap music' or however it goes...

I've always had a soft spot for slightly-too-sweet female voices singing melancholy-tinged lyrics (see also St. Etienne, etc.)

Johnny7
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posted October 25, 1999 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny7   Click Here to Email Johnny7     Edit/Delete Message
Dragging this thread back on topic before it gets sent off to the Oratory (or whatever the music area is called)...

Vortex Nine: (did I mention 'cool name?') I can't take credit for the three-piece suit image -- somebody over at The Tower put it in my head. Definitely an image that stays with me, though.

I don't know if I can convince My Jacqui that the "true me" has returned -- and I wouldn't blame her for doubting. As for her being Invisible -- well, she still hasn't returned my copy of SAY YOU WANT A REVOLUTION, so who knows?

And I threw my Morrisey CD out of window last week in a fit of depressive anger...

grant
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posted October 25, 1999 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Geez, that almost sounds like something out of a Smiths song....

I recently realized I'd never make much of an anarchist because the system has never made me suffer as much as girls have.

If that's at all relevant....

Ganesha
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posted October 25, 1999 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Uh-oh. Here comes Cerebus now...

grant
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posted October 26, 1999 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Heh.

Well, unlike Viktor Davis, I kinda take the blame myself.
I mean, despite them being psychic vampires and all.

PATricky
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posted October 26, 1999 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PATricky   Click Here to Email PATricky     Edit/Delete Message
Just thought I would toss my 2 sence here . . . Spare change any one?

On the topic of the Smiths . . . I prettymuch tossed all of those LP's when I started Raving . . . oddly (or maybe not) enough that music just doesn't speak too me anymore. aside from a bit of nostalga I find it too self indulgant.

Which brings me to the topic of service. As a result of much of my Shamanic endevors (& I would like to pose the ?? of if there's a difference between Shamanish & Kaos Magik) service to the comunity has become paramount.

Now I don't really stop to help old ladies cross the street or anything, but that all hings on the difinition of "comunity" there is certainly a tight circle of people out here in the Bay area that I consider "of my tribe" I guess in part as a result of us all predominantly being transplants from other parts . . . still they borrow plenty of copies of Invisibles, & we have thrown some PHAT party/gatherings/pot-lucks in our time.

My girlfriend is now re-reading Vol-1 of INVISIBLE & she jokenly claims to understand me much better as a result. So as a personal bible goes, I tend to refer to it more as a user's manual for reality in this day and age.

levon
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posted October 26, 1999 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for levon   Click Here to Email levon     Edit/Delete Message
that adds up to 14 cents

look!NickWaddam!
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posted October 26, 1999 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for look!NickWaddam!   Click Here to Email look!NickWaddam!     Edit/Delete Message
I'm curious: is the word "raving" used a great deal in America? The word's fallen into disuse over here. Nobody really uses it any more (except for little kids who listen to Happy Hardcore, and live in backwaters like Hastings). I'm not criticising Americans here, I'm simply interested to note the differences between the scene in the states and the scene over here. In the UK the word has become synonymous with 15 yr olds, on 10 "E's" dancing around to DJ zebadee and MC Magika. Clubbing (and big events) no longer emphasise the neo hippy values that were common currency in the late eighties and early nineties. Is it different over there? Some Trance Heads probably think their scene keeps the fire burning, but, to be honest, "Return to the Source" etc remind me of an old hippy who refuses to come down and live in the nineties. Embarrassing.

levon
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posted October 26, 1999 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for levon   Click Here to Email levon     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, they still call them raves over here. Admittedly, I have never even been to a whatever-you-call-it because they are so expensive here and the ones my friends go to always seem to be a hundred miles away. I don't know the situation over there. I do sometimes however go to clubs, which are pretty much raves with a bar and security. The scene is pretty much the meat market it's always been.

levon

PATricky
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posted October 26, 1999 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PATricky   Click Here to Email PATricky     Edit/Delete Message
Not sure I would aggree with all of what you're saying Levon.

Out in Cali, most people who refer to "raves" match what you where discribing LookNik,

in Present tence we would talk about a party, or thing . . .some of them are HUGe, expencive and in very far out of the way places.

CANDYRAVE is the term we've come up with to best discribe the 15 year olds on twice as many Es or speed or whatever.

Amongst my "old-school" compariots the term Rave is used in a definate nostalgic sence.

There still is ,I believe, a differeence between going ravin', Clubing, and Dancing. The latter being truest to what the original "Rave" was striving for: ie

1--"we going dancing tonight?"

2--"sure I heard about this rave going on."

3--" Naa, that shit's a CandyRave man, don't wan'na be hanging with some 15 year olds!"

2--"I hear that."

1--" well SoNSo's throwing a party tonigh, heard it was out in the boonies though."

3--"my car ain't makin' it"

2--"well I gotta work tomorrow, so why don't we go clubbing instead?"

1--"you driving? 'Cause if we hit come Clubs i'm gonna drink"

2--"I'll drive your car"

3--"Cool, but I wan'na hit that afterhours then should be phat!"

1--"Cool, les' go"

2--"hold on, I'm not finished rolling this blunt"

. . . sigh . . .

PATricky
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posted October 26, 1999 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PATricky   Click Here to Email PATricky     Edit/Delete Message
Oh and sorry about the Studdddder.

My computer was freakin' out . . .

Um can I have 12 cents back?

look!NickWaddam!
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posted October 28, 1999 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for look!NickWaddam!   Click Here to Email look!NickWaddam!     Edit/Delete Message
The Uk scene has definitely moved towards clubbing again. Some are meat markets, some aren't. Most have a really boring music policy: (endless variations on the same musical theme). The general public don't seem to enjoy much experimentation.

Oh, how I miss the Bluenote.

Bugger.

Zephir
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posted October 29, 1999 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zephir   Click Here to Email Zephir     Edit/Delete Message
Pat, if you click on one of the three little icons at the top of each message, you can edit/delete posts. I'd do it for you, but, give a man a fish, right?

My girlfriend dumped me, I stopped losing weight. There wasn't gonna be another invis issue out for a month and a half. I sprained my ankle, I was smoking way too much (yes, it is possible) pot, and taking a lot of motrin, which can cause low levels of sub-clinical depression. I was actng like a dork, not shaving, walking weirdly and saying all sorts of stupid, paranoid things to people who barely knew I was probably kidding.

But I never stopped being invisible. You never stopped being invisible. You never became invisible either. That's the kicker right there. The kingdom in your mind, it's always been there. You made it, remember?

I feel a lot better now, and have heard, over the last few months, similar stories of depression, angst, and crappy weirdshit happenstance bullshit mucking up the gearworks of everyday life. I can only say that Jupiter is less visible, and I don't believe in any of that crap, but I'm feeling at least 17 times better than I was two monthes ago, or however long it's been.

Anyway, what were we on again? You guys better loose all this lovey dovey pat on the I'll scratch your back tree hugging love dodge bullshit. It's a harsh world, let's all get along, but pretend we don't.

grant
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posted October 29, 1999 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Fuck you, punk.

70sman
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posted October 29, 1999 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
<Anyway, what were we on again? You guys better loose all this lovey dovey pat on the I'll scratch your back tree hugging love dodge bullshit.>

It appears zephir has turned into Eric Cartman.
Most disturbing.

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