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Topic: Why Grant Won't come |
ianjones Myrmidon |
posted November 20, 1999 02:55 PM
Sleazenation asked (in the Movie House).
"Do we really need Grant Morrison in the Nexus?"
I thought perhaps GM would like to reply.
I have appended my own opinions on why he's not here.
'Actually what we are seeing is the development of a cult. We all
believe that we understand GM, and are all very willing to interpret
and proclaim in his name. As in religious cults the actuality of the
subject of the systems we device would be a bit of an embarrasment.
We don't want Grant. We want to interpret and objectize Grant, to
absorb into our believe system.
Grant is the sun king and we would have to ceremonially destroy
him to help him attain godhood. I don't think he's going to show.
This was in the Movie House as partof a discussion about the
invisibles and movies. Some fuckwit brought in Enid Blyton and now
we are on 'Letter Column' territory.'
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sleazenation Operative |
posted November 20, 1999 04:20 PM
yeah, at a point in time where lots of people are holding their
ėidolsķ (ironic golden cows or whatever) up- isn't it about time
that it is asked why do it-- what do you want?
The invisibles is repeatedly described as a readerly text,
multifaceted, open to interpretation- Do you really think that its
author can offer any kind of final meaning to it-- would you want
him/her/it to.
Do you want to start a new religion with Grant Morrison (the
name?) as the Deity, or a post-modern ironic simulation of cult that
laughs knowingly but still goes through the same motions?
As ianjones says 'Actually what we are seeing is the development
of a cult. We all believe that we understand GM, and are all very
willing to interpret and proclaim in his name. As in religious cults
the actuality of the subject of the systems we device would be a bit
of an embarrasment.ķ
What do you all think? And what do you want out of this letters
page?
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Joe
Annis Initiate |
posted November 20, 1999 05:09 PM
I imagine Grant won't 'come' because he doesn't want to become
involved with such a bear garden of strangely named, possibly
imaginary people.
I do think calling someone 'a fuckwit' as in the letter two above
this is completely gratuitous. Random swearing for effect is one
thing, and this is completely unwarranted. This is not the way
literary discussion works.
If Grant Morrison is reading this, and is not as fictional as
msny of you may be, I think we all owe him an apology. The man is a
genius and deserves better.
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IŅaki Initiate |
posted November 20, 1999 07:43 PM
If we have rise Grant to the state of Deity, then the next logical
step is to kill him. And I don't believe we want that, even if we
only do it Methaporically. I don't have spell it right, Don't I?
[This message has been edited by IŅaki (edited November 20,
1999).]
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levon Operative |
posted November 20, 1999 08:44 PM
You guys are starting to freak me out
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Ganesha Myrmidon |
posted November 20, 1999 09:31 PM
He will visit (I refuse to employ the too-easy innuendo, 'come').
He's just waiting until the 23rd for a dramatic entrance. Stop
fretting.
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Johnny not-on-the-spot Operative |
posted November 21, 1999 01:23 PM
I don't think grant worries about how 'normal' people are. It's all
about definition. He might, however, think we're a bunch of art
students who think they're anarchists, desperately cracking one gag
after another.
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Sandfarmer Operative |
posted November 21, 1999 02:58 PM
I actually came here because Mr. Morrison said at Another Planet
Over he was comming here. Otherwise I may have never found this
place. However, I enjoy the discussions here so even if Grant I
unable to appear like I would like him too, this is still a great
forum.
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Twig the Wonder Kid Initiate |
posted November 21, 1999 03:39 PM
Joe A: is there anything wrong with being either strangly named or
indeed imaginary.
I like the idea that GM is already amongst us under a
pseudonym.
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Tom Archon |
posted November 21, 1999 03:43 PM
THat's cheered me up a little.
I have lots of theories about what effect Grant's presence will
have here. They are... mixed. I have said before that the ideal
situation is one in which he is here under a pseudonym and ONLY YOU
KNOW. This is what people actually want - because otherwise there
might be all kinds of things to think about - deformations of
opinions, sychophancy, the inability to criticise, too much reliance
on one persons opinions. Subcultural personality singularities
enveloping all difference.
The genius comments are interesting, but I think we're missing
the point. Would a more fictional Grant do the business? Would we be
happy with a fake, blow-up Morrison - I could pretend very easily -
whether or not you would believe me is another thing. The question
of the moment is whether GRANT can pretend to be the gold painted
cow idol - or indeed whether he wishes to.
We shall see if and when he decides to come. In the meantime, I
say let's just stick with building huge websites, and spending too
much time on discussion forums. We don't want to give him a big
head...
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Ganesha Myrmidon |
posted November 21, 1999 05:21 PM
And random swearing. Because it's cool.
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70sman Operative |
posted November 21, 1999 07:03 PM
yeah. heh heh. arse.
<a post-modern ironic simulation of cult that laughs knowingly
but still goes through the same motions?>
And whats wrong with that exactly?
I dont think (or at least I hope) that none of us here are going
to think of communication with GM as anything more than a chance to
exchange views with a groovy creative guy whos work we all enjoy
emmencely(sp?). We dont want to worship him ,canonize him or take
his word as unquestionable law. Im excited at having the
oppurtunity of talking to him , but no more than I would be if given
the oppurtunity to talk to any of my other favorite
writers/musicians/artists.
Lets just be cool .. ok?
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Ganesha Myrmidon |
posted November 21, 1999 07:57 PM
Fuck yeah, let's be shitting arsebadgery cool.
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WiseGuy Initiate |
posted November 21, 1999 08:25 PM
Pissflaps, say I. I, for one don't actually care whether the Man
turns up or not. I have enormous respect for him both as a writer
and as a CoolBloke, but I certainly wouldn't know what to say or how
to say it if I knew he was here. My ideal forum, imagined with
increasingly embellished detail over the last twelve years of
reading his Stuff, is still a pub, cheap Scotch & fags, and a
warm hazy glow.
Oh, and turdmonkey shitcustard. And furthermore, cumcrumble. So
there.
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Citizen Smith Operative |
posted November 21, 1999 09:56 PM
Grant Morrison is a bloke who writes comics, which let's face it is
not the coolest job in the world. He probably tells his mates down
the pub that he's an electrician or something. The reason he isn't
going to get involved in this gig is that he doesn't want a bunch of
anoraks turning up in his back garden at all hours of the day and
night asking him to autograph pictures of Robin and staring at him
intensely while he's trying to chat up some bird. The Invisibles is
a fine piece of zeitgeist - don't embarrass the guy too much or
you'll freak him out and he'll go and live in a cave
somewhere.
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grant Operative |
posted November 22, 1999 01:26 AM
Sorry Grant, but somebody had to blow the whistle.
This joke has gone on too far.
Grant Morrison is actually Joe Annis.
Welcome to the fold. Now lead us, good shepherd!
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Liquid Operative |
posted November 22, 1999 10:28 AM
I want Grant to come so that I can larn from him. I want to know how
to take those "shortcuts" King Mob and Mister Six do (I know it's a
form of 4d travel, but there are a few things I can get my brain
around), how to change fiction suits, and how to project myself into
stories. Now, yes, I should be doing this myself, and I plan to (the
DMT trip I've got scheduled for next month should help, if i ask the
right questions), but every liuttle bit helps, you know?
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70sman Operative |
posted November 22, 1999 11:13 AM
Citizen Smith: wow , you're, like, citizen Smith , the 4th
coolest sitcom character of the 1980s.
grantB: are you serious??
Oh , I see in retrospect that you're not. hehe.
[This message has been edited by 70sman (edited November 22,
1999).]
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Citizen Smith Operative |
posted November 22, 1999 05:41 PM
If I'm the fourth coolest sitcom character from the 80s, who, pray
tell, are the first three? Surely not the rest of the Tooting
Popular Front ahead of me? Power to the people!
[This message has been edited by Citizen Smith (edited November
22, 1999).]
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Cochese Operative |
posted November 22, 1999 06:15 PM
Er, yeah. I'm perfectly happy in my art-stude pseudo rebellion at
the moment, I find it fits in well with my hectic lifestyle. Grant
Morrison is a writer whose works I enjoy, and it would be quite
interesting to speak with him. And of course were he to organise
us into an international group of kick-ass ontological
terrorists...I probably wouldn't be able to afford the train fair.
Cunting fuckerized jizzmonkeys!
[This message has been edited by Cochese (edited November 22,
1999).]
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Rollo Kin Initiate |
posted November 22, 1999 06:38 PM
That nice Mr Morrison probably has more important things on his
mind... He would probably find this all a bit... who knows? And
there certainly isn't anything wrong with being fictional. Shunt
hole. Would explanation detract? Isn't it better to retain an air of
mystery? Anal breath mint anyone?
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70sman Operative |
posted November 22, 1999 08:41 PM
<Cunting fuckerized jizzmonkeys> You have talent. Get
yeeself to the swearing thread!!
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JackFrost Operative |
posted November 22, 1999 08:43 PM
Joe - 'I imagine Grant won't 'come' because he doesn't want to
become involved with such a bear garden of strangely named, possibly
imaginary people.'
And how does this differ from receiving snail-mail from readers?
Just because they took the time to write in DOESN'T mean they didn't
take the time to come up with a fake name, identity, etc. Honestly,
I think Grant knows this too...
Also, Grant won't come because he knows Tantra (b'doom-cha!) 
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ianjones Myrmidon |
posted November 22, 1999 09:28 PM
Grant (correspondent, above) is nearly right. Joe Annis is not
Grant Morrison, but will be the sacrifice that draws the great
spirit down.
Tomorrow evening an online sacrifice. Remember that date.
A spirit will be consigned to the DC message board to slowly be
absorbed be the remaining dullards there. FOREVER!!
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Joe
Annis Initiate |
posted November 22, 1999 09:30 PM
No, No No No
You can't!
At least please don't call it a bloody sacrifice!
My dad will be so cross.
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ianjones Myrmidon |
posted November 22, 1999 09:45 PM
You should never have objected to me calling myself a fuckwit.
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Ganesha Myrmidon |
posted November 22, 1999 11:04 PM
Joe: I'm sure your father will forgive them; they know not what they
do.
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Tom Archon |
posted November 22, 1999 11:54 PM
You're fucking weird, you lot. You know that?
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Rollo Kin Initiate |
posted November 23, 1999 12:00 AM
Sorry, but there does seem to be a lot of talk about shunting well
killing that nice MR Morrison... How do you clefting well think he'd
react to that? Parp... Also, what's with all the swearing? You crazy
cats! I like it here... I like what you've done with the place!
Fratsugar!
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Ganesha Myrmidon |
posted November 23, 1999 12:06 AM
What IS a 'bear garden', by the way?
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PATricky Operative |
posted November 23, 1999 12:40 AM
Isn't that where those Gummy Bears R grown?
Anyway . . . I really don't give a flying fuck through a donut
hole . . . if when GM makes his pressence known.
Of course it would be cool to chat with him, but I would prefer
to do so at a chill Pub/club smok'in a phat bowl of whatever . . .
preferably something with initials.
untill that happens one verbal frenzy is about as good as the
next . . . here.
With those that R fictional or not.
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Imp0zz!bL Operative |
posted November 23, 1999 02:13 AM
Well, its the 23rd and he's still not here. So much for that
theory.
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Zephir Myrmidon |
posted November 23, 1999 05:18 AM
Maybe he's on US time...?
I think you have to consider what he's always said and done in
the vein of fan correspondance. He's always been incredibly
enthusiastic, and has time and time again maintained that the
correspondances and friendships and just plain weird shit he has
heard about from people are worth--well, his while, anyway. Not to
mention, he's a fucking work horse, I bet he could out post Ganesha
inside of an evening or two... The man's got some fast fingers. You
can bet he'll come. (sorry.)
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ianjones Myrmidon |
posted November 23, 1999 06:59 AM
So no objections then? Other than from Joe Annis I mean.
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Ganesha Myrmidon |
posted November 23, 1999 09:31 AM
Ooh, I dunno. Let's give him until 11pm before we despair...
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Cochese Operative |
posted November 23, 1999 01:57 PM
Do we have to get naked and do witchy things for this ritual? Might
be a bit embarrassing having to go kit-off in the middle of a
library. Oh and the mention of bear gardens reminds me of a
mildly curious event a few years ago...In Berlin, very hungover,
slowly recovering with some friends in a public park, finding about
50 little gummi bears arranged in the flowerbeds like they lived
there and were calmly going about their business... And you
wouldn't believe the number of 23s I've seen so far today. The omens
are good, my children.
[This message has been edited by Cochese (edited November 23,
1999).]
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70sman Operative |
posted November 23, 1999 02:13 PM
bear garden. What a wonderful concept. I think when I get home
tonight Ill build a fence around a chunk of my parents garden. ill
put a sign up saying "Bear Garden" and fill it with pots of honey
and nuts and berries an shit. Then ill play The Waiting
Game. Thrn , presumably , a concerned neighbour will alert the
authorities and its back to the padded cell...
sorry bout that , moderater. Delete as you please.
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grant Operative |
posted November 23, 1999 03:10 PM
Joe, your blood will bring us all closer to the Kingdom and the
Glory.
Lead us into that great night.
You've been chosen by Grant.
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Ganesha Myrmidon |
posted November 23, 1999 06:34 PM
'Course, in chutney-ferret circles a 'bear' is a gay man, usually
well into his thirties, who's reacted against the pumped, smooth
body-fascism of the gay 'mainstream' by growing a gut and being
wilfully hairy. Mmmmm....
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70sman Operative |
posted November 23, 1999 07:11 PM
i have a nagging suspicion that grant (small g) has been
possessed/replaced by some form of malevelant spirit.. hes been
actin` kinda odd recently.. dontcha think?
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