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ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 20, 1999 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
Sleazenation asked (in the Movie House).

"Do we really need Grant Morrison in the Nexus?"

I thought perhaps GM would like to reply.

I have appended my own opinions on why he's not here.

'Actually what we are seeing is the development of a cult. We all believe that we understand GM, and are all very willing to interpret and proclaim in his name. As in religious cults the actuality of the subject of the systems we device would be a bit of an embarrasment.

We don't want Grant. We want to interpret and objectize Grant, to absorb into our believe system.

Grant is the sun king and we would have to ceremonially destroy him to help him attain godhood. I don't think he's going to show.

This was in the Movie House as partof a discussion about the invisibles and movies. Some fuckwit brought in Enid Blyton and now we are on 'Letter Column' territory.'

sleazenation
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posted November 20, 1999 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sleazenation     Edit/Delete Message
yeah, at a point in time where lots of people are holding their ėidolsķ (ironic golden cows or whatever) up- isn't it about time that it is asked why do it-- what do you want?

The invisibles is repeatedly described as a readerly text, multifaceted, open to interpretation- Do you really think that its author can offer any kind of final meaning to it-- would you want him/her/it to.

Do you want to start a new religion with Grant Morrison (the name?) as the Deity, or a post-modern ironic simulation of cult that laughs knowingly but still goes through the same motions?

As ianjones says 'Actually what we are seeing is the development of a cult. We all believe that we understand GM, and are all very willing to interpret and proclaim in his name. As in religious cults the actuality of the subject of the systems we device would be a bit of an embarrasment.ķ

What do you all think? And what do you want out of this letters page?

Joe Annis
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posted November 20, 1999 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Annis   Click Here to Email Joe Annis     Edit/Delete Message
I imagine Grant won't 'come' because he doesn't want to become involved with such a bear garden of strangely named, possibly imaginary people.

I do think calling someone 'a fuckwit' as in the letter two above this is completely gratuitous. Random swearing for effect is one thing, and this is completely unwarranted. This is not the way literary discussion works.

If Grant Morrison is reading this, and is not as fictional as msny of you may be, I think we all owe him an apology. The man is a genius and deserves better.

IŅaki
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posted November 20, 1999 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IŅaki   Click Here to Email IŅaki     Edit/Delete Message
If we have rise Grant to the state of Deity, then the next logical step is to kill him. And I don't believe we want that, even if we only do it Methaporically. I don't have spell it right, Don't I?

[This message has been edited by IŅaki (edited November 20, 1999).]

levon
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posted November 20, 1999 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for levon   Click Here to Email levon     Edit/Delete Message
You guys are starting to freak me out

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 20, 1999 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
He will visit (I refuse to employ the too-easy innuendo, 'come'). He's just waiting until the 23rd for a dramatic entrance. Stop fretting.

Johnny not-on-the-spot
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posted November 21, 1999 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny not-on-the-spot   Click Here to Email Johnny not-on-the-spot     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think grant worries about how 'normal' people are. It's all about definition.
He might, however, think we're a bunch of art students who think they're anarchists, desperately cracking one gag after another.

Sandfarmer
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posted November 21, 1999 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandfarmer   Click Here to Email Sandfarmer     Edit/Delete Message
I actually came here because Mr. Morrison said at Another Planet Over he was comming here. Otherwise I may have never found this place. However, I enjoy the discussions here so even if Grant I unable to appear like I would like him too, this is still a great forum.

Twig the Wonder Kid
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posted November 21, 1999 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twig the Wonder Kid   Click Here to Email Twig the Wonder Kid     Edit/Delete Message
Joe A: is there anything wrong with being either strangly named or indeed imaginary.

I like the idea that GM is already amongst us under a pseudonym.

Tom
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posted November 21, 1999 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message
THat's cheered me up a little.

I have lots of theories about what effect Grant's presence will have here. They are... mixed. I have said before that the ideal situation is one in which he is here under a pseudonym and ONLY YOU KNOW. This is what people actually want - because otherwise there might be all kinds of things to think about - deformations of opinions, sychophancy, the inability to criticise, too much reliance on one persons opinions. Subcultural personality singularities enveloping all difference.

The genius comments are interesting, but I think we're missing the point. Would a more fictional Grant do the business? Would we be happy with a fake, blow-up Morrison - I could pretend very easily - whether or not you would believe me is another thing. The question of the moment is whether GRANT can pretend to be the gold painted cow idol - or indeed whether he wishes to.

We shall see if and when he decides to come. In the meantime, I say let's just stick with building huge websites, and spending too much time on discussion forums. We don't want to give him a big head...

Ganesha
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posted November 21, 1999 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
And random swearing. Because it's cool.

70sman
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posted November 21, 1999 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
yeah. heh heh. arse.

<a post-modern ironic simulation of cult that laughs knowingly but still goes through the same motions?>

And whats wrong with that exactly?

I dont think (or at least I hope) that none of us here are going to think of communication with GM as anything more than a chance to exchange views with a groovy creative guy whos work we all enjoy emmencely(sp?). We dont want to worship him ,canonize him or take his word as unquestionable law.
Im excited at having the oppurtunity of talking to him , but no more than I would be if given the oppurtunity to talk to any of my other favorite writers/musicians/artists.

Lets just be cool .. ok?

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 21, 1999 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Fuck yeah, let's be shitting arsebadgery cool.

WiseGuy
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posted November 21, 1999 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WiseGuy     Edit/Delete Message
Pissflaps, say I. I, for one don't actually care whether the Man turns up or not. I have enormous respect for him both as a writer and as a CoolBloke, but I certainly wouldn't know what to say or how to say it if I knew he was here. My ideal forum, imagined with increasingly embellished detail over the last twelve years of reading his Stuff, is still a pub, cheap Scotch & fags, and a warm hazy glow.

Oh, and turdmonkey shitcustard. And furthermore, cumcrumble. So there.

Citizen Smith
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posted November 21, 1999 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
Grant Morrison is a bloke who writes comics, which let's face it is not the coolest job in the world. He probably tells his mates down the pub that he's an electrician or something. The reason he isn't going to get involved in this gig is that he doesn't want a bunch of anoraks turning up in his back garden at all hours of the day and night asking him to autograph pictures of Robin and staring at him intensely while he's trying to chat up some bird. The Invisibles is a fine piece of zeitgeist - don't embarrass the guy too much or you'll freak him out and he'll go and live in a cave somewhere.

grant
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posted November 22, 1999 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry Grant, but somebody had to blow the whistle.

This joke has gone on too far.

Grant Morrison is actually Joe Annis.

Welcome to the fold. Now lead us, good shepherd!

Liquid
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posted November 22, 1999 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liquid   Click Here to Email Liquid     Edit/Delete Message
I want Grant to come so that I can larn from him. I want to know how to take those "shortcuts" King Mob and Mister Six do (I know it's a form of 4d travel, but there are a few things I can get my brain around), how to change fiction suits, and how to project myself into stories. Now, yes, I should be doing this myself, and I plan to (the DMT trip I've got scheduled for next month should help, if i ask the right questions), but every liuttle bit helps, you know?

70sman
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posted November 22, 1999 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message

Citizen Smith: wow , you're, like, citizen Smith , the 4th coolest sitcom character of the 1980s.

grantB: are you serious??

Oh , I see in retrospect that you're not. hehe.

[This message has been edited by 70sman (edited November 22, 1999).]

Citizen Smith
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posted November 22, 1999 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Citizen Smith     Edit/Delete Message
If I'm the fourth coolest sitcom character from the 80s, who, pray tell, are the first three? Surely not the rest of the Tooting Popular Front ahead of me?
Power to the people!

[This message has been edited by Citizen Smith (edited November 22, 1999).]

Cochese
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posted November 22, 1999 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cochese     Edit/Delete Message
Er, yeah. I'm perfectly happy in my art-stude pseudo rebellion at the moment, I find it fits in well with my hectic lifestyle. Grant Morrison is a writer whose works I enjoy, and it would be quite interesting to speak with him.
And of course were he to organise us into an international group of kick-ass ontological terrorists...I probably wouldn't be able to afford the train fair. Cunting fuckerized jizzmonkeys!

[This message has been edited by Cochese (edited November 22, 1999).]

Rollo Kin
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posted November 22, 1999 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rollo Kin   Click Here to Email Rollo Kin     Edit/Delete Message
That nice Mr Morrison probably has more important things on his mind... He would probably find this all a bit... who knows?
And there certainly isn't anything wrong with being fictional. Shunt hole. Would explanation detract? Isn't it better to retain an air of mystery? Anal breath mint anyone?

70sman
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posted November 22, 1999 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
<Cunting fuckerized jizzmonkeys>
You have talent.
Get yeeself to the swearing thread!!

JackFrost
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posted November 22, 1999 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JackFrost   Click Here to Email JackFrost     Edit/Delete Message
Joe - 'I imagine Grant won't 'come' because he doesn't want to become involved with such a bear garden of strangely named, possibly imaginary people.'

And how does this differ from receiving snail-mail from readers? Just because they took the time to write in DOESN'T mean they didn't take the time to come up with a fake name, identity, etc. Honestly, I think Grant knows this too...

Also, Grant won't come because he knows Tantra (b'doom-cha!)

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 22, 1999 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
Grant (correspondent, above) is nearly right.
Joe Annis is not Grant Morrison, but will be the sacrifice that draws the great spirit down.

Tomorrow evening an online sacrifice. Remember that date.

A spirit will be consigned to the DC message board to slowly be absorbed be the remaining dullards there. FOREVER!!

Joe Annis
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posted November 22, 1999 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Annis   Click Here to Email Joe Annis     Edit/Delete Message
No, No No
No

You can't!

At least please don't call it a bloody sacrifice!

My dad will be so cross.

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 22, 1999 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
You should never have objected to me calling myself a fuckwit.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 22, 1999 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Joe: I'm sure your father will forgive them; they know not what they do.

Tom
Archon
posted November 22, 1999 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message
You're fucking weird, you lot. You know that?

Rollo Kin
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posted November 23, 1999 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rollo Kin   Click Here to Email Rollo Kin     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, but there does seem to be a lot of talk about shunting well killing that nice MR Morrison... How do you clefting well think he'd react to that? Parp... Also, what's with all the swearing? You crazy cats! I like it here... I like what you've done with the place! Fratsugar!

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
What IS a 'bear garden', by the way?

PATricky
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PATricky   Click Here to Email PATricky     Edit/Delete Message
Isn't that where those Gummy Bears R grown?

Anyway . . . I really don't give a flying fuck through a donut hole . . . if when GM makes his pressence known.

Of course it would be cool to chat with him, but I would prefer to do so at a chill Pub/club smok'in a phat bowl of whatever . . .
preferably something with initials.

untill that happens one verbal frenzy is about as good as the next . . . here.

With those that R fictional or not.

Imp0zz!bL
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Imp0zz!bL   Click Here to Email Imp0zz!bL     Edit/Delete Message
Well, its the 23rd and he's still not here. So much for that theory.

Zephir
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zephir   Click Here to Email Zephir     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe he's on US time...?

I think you have to consider what he's always said and done in the vein of fan correspondance. He's always been incredibly enthusiastic, and has time and time again maintained that the correspondances and friendships and just plain weird shit he has heard about from people are worth--well, his while, anyway. Not to mention, he's a fucking work horse, I bet he could out post Ganesha inside of an evening or two... The man's got some fast fingers. You can bet he'll come. (sorry.)

ianjones
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ianjones   Click Here to Email ianjones     Edit/Delete Message
So no objections then? Other than from Joe Annis I mean.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
Ooh, I dunno. Let's give him until 11pm before we despair...

Cochese
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posted November 23, 1999 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cochese     Edit/Delete Message
Do we have to get naked and do witchy things for this ritual? Might be a bit embarrassing having to go kit-off in the middle of a library.
Oh and the mention of bear gardens reminds me of a mildly curious event a few years ago...In Berlin, very hungover, slowly recovering with some friends in a public park, finding about 50 little gummi bears arranged in the flowerbeds like they lived there and were calmly going about their business...
And you wouldn't believe the number of 23s I've seen so far today. The omens are good, my children.

[This message has been edited by Cochese (edited November 23, 1999).]

70sman
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posted November 23, 1999 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
bear garden. What a wonderful concept. I think when I get home tonight Ill build a fence around a chunk of my parents garden. ill put a sign up saying "Bear Garden" and fill it with pots of honey and nuts and berries an shit. Then ill play The Waiting Game.
Thrn , presumably , a concerned neighbour will alert the authorities and its back to the padded cell...

sorry bout that , moderater. Delete as you please.

grant
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posted November 23, 1999 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grant   Click Here to Email grant     Edit/Delete Message
Joe, your blood will bring us all closer to the Kingdom and the Glory.

Lead us into that great night.

You've been chosen by Grant.

Ganesha
Myrmidon
posted November 23, 1999 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ganesha     Edit/Delete Message
'Course, in chutney-ferret circles a 'bear' is a gay man, usually well into his thirties, who's reacted against the pumped, smooth body-fascism of the gay 'mainstream' by growing a gut and being wilfully hairy. Mmmmm....

70sman
Operative
posted November 23, 1999 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70sman   Click Here to Email 70sman     Edit/Delete Message
i have a nagging suspicion that grant (small g) has been possessed/replaced by some form of malevelant spirit.. hes been actin` kinda odd recently.. dontcha think?

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