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Topic: Chang-a-Lang-a-ding-dong
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Jack Fear
Myrmidon |
posted November 03, 1999 03:42 PM
  
In another thread, 70sman--no, sorry, it wasn't 70sman, it was
Zephir--said:
quote:
I still think Billy [Chang] is Mason/chessman/harlequin, for the
rec. Something around the eyes...
Which is intriguing.
Not sure I see it, myself: Billy Chang was ethnic Chinese whereas
Mason Lang (to the best of my knowledge) has always been depicted as
Caucasian...
Also: Mason and the ChessBastard have been shown simultaneously
in different locations. This doesn't necessarily rule anything out,
given how wiggy and malleable time and space are in the Invisibles
universe, but still...
And if Mason and Billy were the same person, wouldn't Edith have
recognized him in Varanasi?
I dunno. I like the idea--it's neat--but it's almost too neat--I
don't know if I can buy it.
70sman: convince me.
Everybody else: pros? cons?
[This message has been edited by Jack Fear (edited November 03,
1999).]
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look!NickWaddam!
Operative |
posted November 03, 1999 06:27 PM
I don't know, I can't seem to find any reason for it, narratively or
dramaticaly. It would be interesting if I could be convinced
otherwise.
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70sman
Operative |
posted November 03, 1999 06:53 PM
wasent me , guv. You must be thinking of someone else.
As far as im concerned , the only parralels are:
John
O`dreams/Chessman/Quimper
and
Edith and Freddy/Peirrot and
Columbine
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 03, 1999 07:24 PM
God dammit, I spend all that time being me, an I don't even get my
billing? Look, my reason was that They all have black hair, are you
happy?
Actually, they all play both sides, they all have the same nose
(sorry Ganesha), they all open doors and know secrets and you can't
really trust them, no matter how naieve they seem.
First of all, they were never in the same panel, and not even
that really matters. But okay, they're all earthly representations
of the trickster god (on the Wheel-O-GODS) of choice much in the
same way that Dane is the earthly manifestation of God or the Buddha
or whatever. Also the things they say, they way they look... And
about the Chinease thing, the surname Lang always threw me, and he
looks a little asian in his philedelphia flashback, wondering how to
break the liberty bell. I'm just saying.
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Jack Fear
Myrmidon |
posted November 03, 1999 08:03 PM
The surname Lang, if I'm not mistaken, is derived from the French
l'ange, meaning "angel."
As in "fallen..."?
So you may be onto something yet with the ChessBastard, Zephir.
Mason Lang. Maison l'Ange--House of the Angel? Fuck, now
I'm reaching...
[This message has been edited by Jack Fear (edited November 03,
1999).]
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Jack Fear
Myrmidon |
posted November 03, 1999 08:12 PM
And 70sman, Zephir, I apologize for the mistaken identity, and have
edited my initial post to give props where props is due. Peace,
yo--I'm out.
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70sman
Operative |
posted November 03, 1999 09:08 PM
well , IVE been saying Masons a bad guy ever since issue 2.16. so
there.
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 03, 1999 10:16 PM
Mason = Occultech. I'm telling you...
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Liquid
Operative |
posted November 04, 1999 06:57 AM
No way is Mason a bad guy. Just like Robin wasn't actually under
Quimper's control. They were faking it, making the bad guys think
they were in control when they actually weren't.
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Cochese
Operative |
posted November 04, 1999 12:37 PM
It's not that they're the same as each other...The series is full of
characters who look like other characters, characters who don't look
like other people but still resemble them etc. Remember Robin's
photograph of the clouds, the universe is a lot simpler than we
thought.
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Johnny7
Operative |
posted November 04, 1999 03:43 PM
Ganesha: you mean "Technoccult", I'm sure. 
I don't think Mason and the Chessman are the same person. Mason
has been taking an active role in the struggle, whereas the Chessman
has been more of an observer. Of course, he is a bit of an active
observer, in that he's been known to tell people what it is they're
looking at.
I'm more curious as to the identity of the hitchhiker in 1.14. I
mean, the only argument we have that he could have been Chessman is
the fact he didn't tell us his name. Consider the fact hitchhiker
looked nothing like the Chessman, whereas every time the Chessman
has appeared, his appearance is the same (taking into account
different artists).
Perhaps the hitchhiker is yet another player in this battle.
Another tool of the Dalang.
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 04, 1999 04:40 PM
Heh! Yes, I meant Technoccult. I'm betting Mason's behind that
one...
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 04, 1999 05:41 PM
I hope I didn't come off saying satan was bad. Look, we're all a
little bit satanic, we all want personal power and control over our
lives. Mason is no different. King Mob's the one who's been
suspicious of him since issue 2#16. And Mason's always been a little
weird, a little Bruce Wayne kinda "huh, what's going on?" I'm not
letting go of this pet theory. I think they are all aspects of the
same trickster, raven, coyote, mr. nobody, hoaxer, loki, satan satan
satan god figure, and I haven't seen anything telling me different.
Oh, and no prob, Jack.
[This message has been edited by Zephir (edited November 04,
1999).]
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Loz
Operative |
posted November 04, 1999 08:13 PM
I agree, Chessbastards always looked the same so I don't agree with
the hitchhiker, Mason parallels, though in the issue (2.21?) where
we see Mason meet Robin in the future he did look awfully like
Chessbastard... but then I put it down to the same crap artwork that
made Fanny look like a man... ;-)
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Liquid
Operative |
posted November 04, 1999 09:10 PM
I always thought the hitchhiker was just some guy, who came and went
and didn't teach King Mob anything except that there were others out
there thinking the same way.
And besides, I can't imagine the chessman dressing up like that
hippy. Satan has too much style for that =)
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ianjones
Myrmidon |
posted November 04, 1999 09:14 PM
Hitchhiker guy looks a lot like king mob, in india with his hair
long and bearded.
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The
Scroll
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 12:34 AM
Oh, there's something up with the hitchhiker. KM sees him in his
rearview mirror as some weird energy thingy.
The Scroll
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 05, 1999 02:13 AM
I think it's a mistake to put too much faith in the artwork,
especially when it's Jill <spits> Whatsername.
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grant
Operative |
posted November 05, 1999 02:35 PM
We're *all* weird energy thingies; I think that's the point.
And
as for the identity of the Chessman, you all are ready to know --
it's me.
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Loz
Operative |
posted November 06, 1999 06:00 PM
The Scroll- No he didn't, the guy was standing right in front of a
light which made him a silhouette.
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The
Scroll
Operative |
posted November 07, 1999 01:13 AM
Re: Hitchhiker in the light.
Well, maybe. Guess I'll go back and look. Still, wonder why KM
decides to glance back and say, "Ha!"
The Scroll
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Zephir
Myrmidon |
posted November 08, 1999 02:06 AM
Man, I've met so many people like the hitchhikker, did he have a
nose ring?
Are Brad Pitt and Ed Norton Gideon and Dane, respectivly?
I'm not sure the hitchikker's level of involvement has been
nearly as consistant as any of the Billy/Mason/Invisible
Prince/Prince of Darkness, er, I mean chessdude's levels. Anyway,
I'm just saying I never said that. Damn legal mumbo jumbo, you
understand. I think if it's anyone, it was probably Alan Moore.
Oh, and to the list, I also gotta add the satan figure from the
Sheman arc, and the yellow towel head guy, and of course, the
shadowy Mr. Evans.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Initiate |
posted November 16, 1999 03:23 AM
Let's not forget that the 'whatever happened to John A Dreams'
thing is yet to have been given a satisfactory conclusion. He has to
fit in somewhere surely.
My back issues are several hundred miles away at the mo so I
can't check this but didn't the hitchhiker give some pointers to the
goings on at Dulce that featured in Vol 2?
I always took the hitchhiker in the mirror bit to be a nod
towards the ending of Taxi Driver which was a pointer to the 'Travis
in hell' reading of the film.
The shadowy Mr Evans is dating Geri Halliwell. Talk about first
contact with a fictional reality.
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Twig the Wonder Kid
Initiate |
posted November 16, 1999 03:43 AM
Let's not forget that the 'whatever happened to John A Dreams'
thing is yet to have been given a satisfactory conclusion. He has to
fit in somewhere surely.
My back issues are several hundred miles away at the mo so I
can't check this but didn't the hitchhiker give some pointers to the
goings on at Dulce that featured in Vol 2?
I always took the hitchhiker in the mirror bit to be a nod
towards the ending of Taxi Driver which was a pointer to the 'Travis
in hell' reading of the film.
The shadowy Mr Evans is dating Geri Halliwell. Talk about first
contact with a fictional reality.
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Ganesha
Myrmidon |
posted November 16, 1999 09:53 AM
The future, evidently, is orange.
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